I love how most of the FE chars in Smash get no love in their home series

[Quillion]

For the longest time, I thought that only Roy seemed to be hated by the FE fandom while being loved by the Smash fandom. But now I've learned that this actually applies to nearly all of the FE characters in Smash.

Marth is actually in a similar boat as Roy (no promotion, bland), but gets a very slight pass as being the first Lord. Robin and Corrin are hated by the FE fanbase for being Avatars, which are even blander and many people wish that the Avatar concept would just die. Lucina is hated for being a waste of potential after she joins you in Awakening.

So the only one that's actually liked by the FE fandom is Ike.

I was actually pretty annoyed at how FE fans hated Roy, but now that I've learned of all this, I think it's hilarious.

 

[Ura]

Just don't concern yourself with what the FE fanbase thinks of whatever character in Smash. I used to get worked up about people saying overexagerrated things about Roy but now I don't really care because there's no point in getting worked up over what others think or say.

 

[_Sheik]

1. Roy has a promotion, and even without one Marth can turn out decent if he maxes out his levels. Not sure if he ever capped even one stat in my playthrough, although I guess he may have, and had been able to deal decent damage to the final boss with the support of whatsherface goddess that joins you instead of Gotoh.

2. The reason why I hate Lucina is because she's a filthy 'waifu' that stole Marth's identity and merit just to reach the top in the eyes and mind of the fanbase.

3. I've pretty much been a stalker (or lurker) of the FE fanbase for a long time and they're pretty okay with the Avatar system.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm pretty sure the west likes Robin, Corrin and Lucina.

Japan loves Roy and Marth.

 

[Diddy Kong]

FE12 was received really well in Japan however, and Marth was a strong unit in that game despite no promotion. So Marth is definitely a popular character, somewhat... He's the face of the series, in a modest princely way. I really wish we could've gotten FE12 released in the West.

But yeah, Ike is the most popular and for very good reason I think. Even though there's a lot of talk about he's a "Gary Stue", boring, gay, and all that other good stuff. Fire Emblem fans in general are just a weird bunch of people.

 

[Quillion]

I'm pretty sure the west likes Robin, Corrin and Lucina.

Japan loves Roy and Marth.

You're not in the right place. I'm talking about the FIRE EMBLEM fandom, not the Smash fandom.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You're not in the right place. I'm talking about the FIRE EMBLEM fandom, not the Smash fandom.

I am talking about the Fire Emblem fandom.

Those characters are popular, they're winning official polls and what not.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The most recent official popularity poll results in the franchise

Spoiler

All of the top 3 are playable, alongside Robin who ranked 5. Corrin was still brand new so he couldn't exactly compete, the only one who is outright a Scrappy is Roy, who gets hate for being incredibly underpowered in everything, with his only edge being his endgame weapon which can be used for a single chapter if you don't go for all Gaiden chapters. Ike is known for being one of, if not THE most broken unit in the franchise. Marth was a ****ing beast in the original games, with him being able to ignore counter attacks once he got the Falchion in fe1. Lucina is popular due to her being role in the story and for being a genuine good unit. Robin is the most broken unit in Awakening, which says a lot due to how strong every character was then

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The most recent official popularity poll results in the franchise

Spoiler

All of the top 3 are playable, alongside Robin who ranked 5. Corrin was still brand new so he couldn't exactly compete, the only one who is outright a Scrappy is Roy, who gets hate for being incredibly underpowered in everything, with his only edge being his endgame weapon which can be used for a single chapter if you don't go for all Gaiden chapters. Ike is known for being one of, if not THE most broken unit in the franchise. Marth was a ****ing beast in the original games, with him being able to ignore counter attacks once he got the Falchion in fe1. Lucina is popular due to her being role in the story and for being a genuine good unit. Robin is the most broken unit in Awakening, which says a lot due to how strong every character was then

Even then, Roy is popular in Japan.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Even then, Roy is popular in Japan.

He didn't make it in this official poll which now that I think about it, Fates wasnt released when the voting was happening. He's not popular enough, and the hate he gets from the western fe fanbase, especially the hardcore fe fans, is great enough for Roy to get 'no love'

 

[Swamp Sensei]

He didn't make it in this official poll which now that I think about it, Fates wasnt released when the voting was happening. He's not popular enough, and the hate he gets from the western fe fanbase, especially the hardcore fe fans, is great enough for Roy to get 'no love'

That poll only shows ten spots. Roy could be Number 11 for all we know which is still pretty popular. Not to mention these spots change every year or so. Try getting multiple polls.

Regardless, critical and fan reception of FE6 was high in Jpan. It was rated higher than Blazing Sword and Roy was a well liked character.

Besides the hardcore FE fan base is minuscule. The love beats the hate.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That poll only shows ten spots. Roy could be Number 11 for all we know which is still pretty popular. Not to mention these spots change every year or so. Try getting multiple polls.

Regardless, critical and fan reception of FE6 was high in Jpan. It was rated higher than Blazing Sword and Roy was a well liked character.

Besides the hardcore FE fan base is minuscule. The love beats the hate.

Regardless if all that, I'm still right as Roy gets the most flak from the fe fanbase

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Regardless if all that, I'm still right as Roy gets the most flak from the fe fanbase

A fraction of the fanbase.

And only on one side of the globe.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

A fraction of the fanbase.

And only on one side of the globe.

Last time I checked therev weren't rules about Japan's opinion

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Last time I checked therev weren't rules about Japan's opinion

It's stupid not to include them when they were the side that actually got the game.

Roy's blandness is due to cultural differences in the East vs West and the difficulty was a plus back then.

Like how Corrin and Robin were seen as bland before they got proper translations.

Besides, what do you mean by "rules"?

Roy being the most unpopular lord only applies if you just don't count half the globe.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/afej/k_tohyo/01.html

He's more popular than you think.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I still think FE6 was an amazing game.

Bersek Staves can go to hell tho... Also, Axes where pretty ****ty unless your name is Gonzalez, and you don't join at level 11. I think those issues where as annoying as Roy's late promotion. It's not as much of a deal if Roy isn't royally stat screwed (troll growths don't help - even if Roy has better growth rates than most units) and you got a Hammerne Staff.

FE9 and FE10 are still my favorites however. This will never change.

 

[TurboLink]

FE9 and FE10 are still my favorites however. This will never change.

It's the same with me.

 

[Opossum]

And I mean, it says something when the entirety of the Top Six there are also in Smash in some form or another, what with Lyn being an Assist Trophy and Chrom factoring heavily into Robin's Final Smash, trailer, and victory animation.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

And I mean, it says something when the entirety of the Top Six there are also in Smash in some form or another, what with Lyn being an Assist Trophy and Chrom factoring heavily into Robin's Final Smash, trailer, and victory animation.

To be fair. That was made after Smash Bros for Wii U was released but before Roy was revealed.

It's a case of chicken or the egg.

 

[Diddy Kong]

With all the Fire Emblem emphasis on the roster in this iteration I find it kind of strangé we didn't get Lyn in Brawl as a newcomer alongside Ike. It definitely would've made sense.

 

[Deleted member]

With all the Fire Emblem emphasis on the roster in this iteration I find it kind of strangé we didn't get Lyn in Brawl as a newcomer alongside Ike. It definitely would've made sense.

It's maybe because Sakurai thought more than 2 Fire Emblem characters would be too much at the time, not to mention how the series weren't as commercially successful as it is today.

 

[Opossum]

Timing may have also been a factor in that case, since instead of getting two fully unique newcomers from brand new games (Robin and Corrin), Lyn and Ike in Brawl would have been two fully unique characters from the newest game(s) and from a much older game.

Lyn in Smash is basically the same kind of thing that made Sakurai skip out on a Generation III/V Pokemon, I assume.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Pretty sure that if we actually got Lyn in Brawl, Sakurai probably wouldn't have added Roy back in as DLC this time.

I still think that it's completely logical that due to & returning as DLC, we should get FE6 and Mother 3 localised on Virtual Console. FE12 localisation to please.

While we're at it, port FE9 and FE10 to!

Speaking... FE12 was remade, and got the first appearance of a My Unit character, the potential remakes of other older FE games could potentially have the same thing happening.

FE7 is logical, we have the Tactican Mark, who is pretty much prototype . FE6 could make use of his son or daughter, brother, uncle-in-law, whoever. But what I thought would be real interessting is a Laguz My Unit in the remakes of the Tellius games who acts much like , hybrid between Beorc and Laguz.

This isn't even the correct thread for this, but I don't care.

 

[Quillion]

The most recent official popularity poll results in the franchise

Spoiler

All of the top 3 are playable, alongside Robin who ranked 5. Corrin was still brand new so he couldn't exactly compete, the only one who is outright a Scrappy is Roy, who gets hate for being incredibly underpowered in everything, with his only edge being his endgame weapon which can be used for a single chapter if you don't go for all Gaiden chapters. Ike is known for being one of, if not THE most broken unit in the franchise. Marth was a ****ing beast in the original games, with him being able to ignore counter attacks once he got the Falchion in fe1. Lucina is popular due to her being role in the story and for being a genuine good unit. Robin is the most broken unit in Awakening, which says a lot due to how strong every character was then

You don't really know what it's like. Everywhere I go, (Western) fans are worshipping Sigurd, Hector, Ephraim, and Ike. Especially Sigurd (who is a Sacred Cow who gets absolutely no criticism), and Hector. And of all of them, only Ike is in Smash.

All the other Lords are considered inferior ****, mostly Roy, but everyone else gets ****ted on.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Speaking... FE12 was remade, and got the first appearance of a My Unit character, the potential remakes of other older FE games could potentially have the same thing happening.

FE7 is logical, we have the Tactican Mark, who is pretty much prototype . FE6 could make use of his son or daughter, brother, uncle-in-law, whoever. But what I thought would be real interessting is a Laguz My Unit in the remakes of the Tellius games who acts much like , hybrid between Beorc and Laguz.

This isn't even the correct thread for this, but I don't care.

We need a remake of both FE7 and FE6 together

Start of with FE7 story than timeskip to FE6

Gives good explanation for 2nd gen kids unlike Fates explanation

 

[TurboLink]

You don't really know what it's like. Everywhere I go, (Western) fans are worshipping Sigurd, Hector, Ephraim, and Ike. Especially Sigurd (who is a Sacred Cow who gets absolutely no criticism), and Hector. And of all of them, only Ike is in Smash.

All the other Lords are considered inferior ****, mostly Roy, but everyone else gets ****ted on.

Roy hate is justified. He's a bad unit and also a bland character.