How to short hop and shoot lemons at the same time?

[DeaDea]

I'm struggling to walk forward, shoot one or lemons and short hop while shooting out the second or third lemon. How do you guys do this? I started assigning jump to L shoulder button so I can easily tap A and jump but short hopping with L is hard.

Also just in general shorthopping and shooting lemons while moving back and fourth so quickly/frequently/accurately?

Do you guys just use A and X/Y and practice lots? How does Scatt do it so well? (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBfxJi71n8)

 

[ravemaster47]

You have to tap the jump and press a at the same time I kinda press both at the same time and it works. Just takes some practice and it'll come naturally after a while.

 

[ChopperDave]

I do the opposite of what you do. Map A attacks to L shoulder and jump to a face button. (Well, I also have A attacks on a face button too, of course).

It's easier this way because modulating between short hop and full hop using a shoulder button is hard, whereas you don't need to be nearly as precise when using a shoulder button to attack

 

[Rush 2112]

I use Classic Controller with jump on B and Attack on Y. You might have luck on GC controller with Jump on A and Attack on Y.

I use the tip of my thumb to attack and the middle of my thumb to jump. I don't need to move my thumb at all to do both at any time. It may take a few weeks to get used to it, then more weeks to master it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHf4mW_WULQ

 

[quepasacontigo]

I use R to jump. It took me a while to be able to shop hop consistently since i guess its harder to do a light press with the index finger. But after some practice it's ok. I want to believe its more optimal to have the right thumb free to do quick aireals.
But i'm quite a ****ty player so yeah.

Name suggestion to the annoying pebble shooting with short hops and tilts back and forth: Lemon dancing

 

[SanAntonioSmasher]

I can't recommend the following set up enough for GC

L - shield
R - jump - not used too much, mostly for retreating aerials with cstick
Z - attack, only used with cstick for uptoss super glide and with special for A+B forward glide toss

***A - jump
B - attack
Y - special
X - grab
Cstick - smash

It took some practice, but jump set to A is great on megaman. You can slide thumb easily back and forth from A to B for lemon techs, as well as metal blade grabbing rising aerials. You can also slide from jump to both special as well as grab. I found doing techs with a sliding finger press has made it easy to muscle memory some pretty difficult button combinations involving zdrops and jump cancels.

I hate the R and z buttons on GC, so I rarely use those out of preference.

So, to do short hop style lemons you can while on ground slide finger from B to A then immediately hit direction you wanna go.

 

[DeaDea]

Cheers for response everyone. I tried some of the options and while I'm sure a lot of them work well, I couldn't get used to it.

I just went into the lab and practised pressing a, a -> y (shorthop) -> a and a -> y (shorthop) -> a, a and now I can do it pretty consistently while moving forward and backwards too. The upside of this is I have been using y for short hopping for a whole year so I'm well practised in that!

One thing I did do though was swap out z and x (z is now jump, x is grab). X being grab has no disadvantages, and having z as jump means I can easily shorthop backwards/forwards while throwing out a c-stick aerial instantly. I use L (or Z) for throwing aerials instantly out of full hops. I couldn't get down spamming lemons while short hopping with the Z button as my right hand just doesn't seem to have the coordination to gently press Z for a short hop while spamming A - perhaps that will come to me in a couple of weeks though!

I also tried setting L to attack, but I really didn't like having to spam the chunky L button so much and as it tired me out much more than just spamming the A button.

SanAntonioSmasher - that is an extremely interesting set up! Don't think I would have the time to get used to such a different set up like that though! How do you deal with C-Stick messing up aerial momentum if its set to smash?

 

[SanAntonioSmasher]

Cheers for response everyone. I tried some of the options and while I'm sure a lot of them work well, I couldn't get used to it.

I just went into the lab and practised pressing a, a -> y (shorthop) -> a and a -> y (shorthop) -> a, a and now I can do it pretty consistently while moving forward and backwards too. The upside of this is I have been using y for short hopping for a whole year so I'm well practised in that!

One thing I did do though was swap out z and x (z is now jump, x is grab). X being grab has no disadvantages, and having z as jump means I can easily shorthop backwards/forwards while throwing out a c-stick aerial instantly. I use L (or Z) for throwing aerials instantly out of full hops. I couldn't get down spamming lemons while short hopping with the Z button as my right hand just doesn't seem to have the coordination to gently press Z for a short hop while spamming A - perhaps that will come to me in a couple of weeks though!

I also tried setting L to attack, but I really didn't like having to spam the chunky L button so much and as it tired me out much more than just spamming the A button.

SanAntonioSmasher - that is an extremely interesting set up! Don't think I would have the time to get used to such a different set up like that though! How do you deal with C-Stick messing up aerial momentum if its set to smash?

Surprisingly it just took like 1-2 hours in training mode to get used to this set up. It's jarring at first, but I think you'd be surprised how quick the brain can remap things. I just hit cstick quickly to minimize the momentum stall. I had it to attack for a long time, but missed having an easy super glide toss and easy pivot forward smashes. Still not sure which is best honestly.

 

[Poopybutthole]

Just play with whatever you feel bro, not really a best control scheme since in the end it's all personal preference. I used to play with X on Grab but recently switched it back to Jump and my Mega Man movement has personally improved a lot for me and now I alternate between Y / X Jump (I really need to use my L button more for jumping though). Other than that my settings are pretty standard, I still haven't fully adapted to Z Grab but it's not as big as of a issue for me anymore.

 

[DeaDea]

I actually started playing with L set to attack and z/y to jump....and it definitely allows better movement with lemons. There is just no way to effectively short hop while shooting lemons with just y/x jump and A attack.

 

[Unclesatan]

All I ever did to do shorthop lemons is slide my finger from A to X. Never thought about a new control scheme for it.. sounds promising!