How to pillar combo Marth?

[WaffleJesus]

I'm looking for some tips pillar comboing Marth. Here's an example: https://youtu.be/EcZvdDDnkoo?t=63

What's the lowest percent it can be used/what's the lowest percent it should conveniently be used at? When can you use strong hit dair and when must it be changed to weak hit? What's the maximum percent it works at? What are some things to think about to help with timing?

If there's a more detailed thread out there with these things answered, I'd love to read it. Thanks

 

[Archelon]

I'm not an expert on falco so I can't help you that much, but one useful thing is fast double jumps, since they get you to a height between shorthop and full jump.

 

[Oskurito]

On FD, or any situation when you don't have platforms, you want to delay your down air a little bit so that maximum stun time is preserved before you reach the ground. If you do it too early marth can just jump out of it before you can shine/uptilt him to continue the combo. If you delay your down air too much marth can hit you before you attack him.

With platforms the story changes completely because most of the times you'll be able to reach the ground (platform) before marth can do anything and your timing doesn't matter as much.

In general (and this is just me) you don't want to waveshine just double jump when pillaring marth, unless you suspect he's going to DI away. You have to get a feel for your opponent's DI tbh, reacting to this seems next to impossible.

Check this old videos of PPMD vs M2K:
https://youtu.be/eoob08ssmvs?t=1007
around that time ppmd starts doing the pillar combo.

 

[RockLee666]

Do ur dair early so it soft hits him, that way he wont fly down and hit the ground. Its honestly rly easy just practice against a marth cpu on a fd a bit. 6:34 https://youtu.be/3bwDVJ9wy-A look how mango does it, the dair is kinda early