How To Fix Smash4

[DariusM27]

Diddy, Sheik, Bayo, Zss, Cloud, Ryu, RosaLuma, Mario, and Fox are all overpowered compared to the rest.

Probably wont be seeing more patches. But if so, they need nerfed because that would make much more sense than buffing literally everyone else.

Or maybe competitive smash tourneys should start these chars with a 50% handicap.

But that probably wont happen either, so the competitive scene will only remain viable for people who abuse S tier chars only.

And all hoo has should work like DKs does. DK has a great hoo ha, but he's a bad char overall.
Chars like Robin and Rob are better, so their hoo has are relatively OP, but they aren't S tier, so the meta isn't primarily hurt by it.

Proceed to ignore or mock this post, but that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

 

[TDK]

Diddy, Sheik, Bayo, Zss, Cloud, Ryu, RosaLuma, Mario, and Fox are all overpowered compared to the rest.

1) Ryu's actually barely top 20
2) Yeah, that's how things work. There's always people who are going to be better at things than anyone else, but they aren't overpowered. Who's the actual definiton of overpowered?



Meta Knight Brawl is the only truly overpowered character we've ever gotten in the series. Maaaaaaaybe . Just because some characters are better than others doesn't mean they're overpowered. The gap between the top 10 and 11 is really, really small.

Probably wont be seeing more patches. But if so, they need nerfed because that would make much more sense than buffing literally everyone else.

No, they don't. Quit whining and learn the matchups. I'm sick of this "I lost to a character? NERF!!" mentality that's really uncompetitive. Nothing's undoable, this isn't Brawl MK vs Brawl Ganon, every matchup is possible and there's enough characters that people can find secondaries easily. Remember when ZeRo, a Diddy, lost to a Palutena?

Or maybe competitive smash tourneys should start these chars with a 50% handicap.

That's stupid. That's like trying to play Puff without Jumping.

But that probably wont happen either, so the competitive scene will only remain viable for people who abuse S tier chars only.

Then why does Marth have more results than Rosalina? Why do Link and Shulk mains do well repeatedly? Why did Dabuz lose to a Samus today?

There's 58 characters, to insinuate that only 10 are viable is ludicrous and you'd have to be completely ignoring results to do so. This isn't Melee. There's not only 6 characters and 5 players winning majors.

And all hoo has should work like DKs does. DK has a great hoo ha, but he's a bad char overall.
Chars like Robin and Rob are better, so their hoo has are relatively OP, but they aren't S tier, so the meta isn't primarily hurt by it.

I don't understand your point. You're saying if you want to have a reliable confirm you need to be bad?

Quit whining, learn matchups and practice. There's 58 characters in this game, attempting to Isolate 10 or so and say they're ruining the meta and need to be instanerfed/banned/handicapped is dumb.

Oh, and Proceed to ignore or mock this post, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm right.

 

[Glitchy_]

This isn't melee...

Not only the top tiers are viable, most of the cast is especially high and mid tier.
And if you're better than your opponent you'll most likely win.

Zero got beat by Prince Ramen, trelas Ryu lost to Bowser jr... Top tier does not equal a win.

 

[Lola Luftnagle]

Diddy, Sheik, Bayo, Zss, Cloud, Ryu, RosaLuma, Mario, and Fox are all overpowered compared to the rest.

Probably wont be seeing more patches. But if so, they need nerfed because that would make much more sense than buffing literally everyone else.

Or maybe competitive smash tourneys should start these chars with a 50% handicap.

But that probably wont happen either, so the competitive scene will only remain viable for people who abuse S tier chars only.

And all hoo has should work like DKs does. DK has a great hoo ha, but he's a bad char overall.
Chars like Robin and Rob are better, so their hoo has are relatively OP, but they aren't S tier, so the meta isn't primarily hurt by it.

Proceed to ignore or mock this post, but that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

Brace yourself for a long-ass paragraph, and this is coming from a non-competitive albeit knowledgeable player.

The characters you mentioned are not O.P. but they have stellar attributes, abilities, match-ups, etc. to give them their top-tier placements. Do you see them winning every single match, competitive or not? No! ZeRo's lost to a as mentioned above and that's uncommon **** to have happen in competitive play. That probably happened due to poor choice of attack/movement options, recovery, lapse of judgment, what have you.

For your second point, balancing the whole roster can never be achieved, so please live with it and learn match-ups like the other posters suggested. Every single match-up is possible to win, even the ones that are perceived unlikely to win (eg. vs. ). Make the right choices that best fit the scenario you're in and you're in great shape.

To your third point: even with handicaps, they can still win the match at hand based on the player. Also your statement after that is not entirely correct. Sure, top-, high-, and even middle tiers dominate the vast amount of tourneys but some professionals spend their time with low- and bottom-tiers and garnered above-average tourney results, such as Gimpyfish with . I personally spend most of my time with and they can take on any character, top-tier or not.

Finally to your hoo-ha point:'s hoo-ha is good for him, but his options are basically outclassed by those above him and don't forget about his more negative attributes that excludes him from high tiers.

Right... may I suggest not only do you learn your match-ups but also you peruse this next time you complain about someone being O.P.: http://www.ssbwiki.com/User:Semicolon/Treatise_on_the_Existence_of_Tiers And that's just one piece of the puzzle to excelling in Smash.

 

[FamilyTeam]

Yeah... friend, time to talk.
First, I'll actually talk about your closing statement:

Proceed to ignore or mock this post, but that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

"I am right, you are wrong."
This mentality is not going to take you anywhere. Not in this game, not in life. You came here to basically try to display your thoughts, but this sentence contradicts the whole post basically stating that there is no discussing your opinion - for it is the absolute truth in your eyes.
I really cannot see what is the point of this post after reading this statement - usually people that post this kind of thing register to Smashboards just to moan and then they leave. You have been here for longer than I am. You want to discuss this subject matter or not?
Even with your self-contradiction, I will assume so.

Diddy, Sheik, Bayo, Zss, Cloud, Ryu, RosaLuma, Mario, and Fox are all overpowered compared to the rest.

Probably wont be seeing more patches. But if so, they need nerfed because that would make much more sense than buffing literally everyone else.

Or maybe competitive smash tourneys should start these chars with a 50% handicap.

Do you ever actually read the words you type out of your keyboard?
Forcing a handicap on anybody for maining a character is justice for nobody. It's a disservice to the mains of those characters, and for the fairness of this game. What would handicapping these players achieve, in your eyes? Some sort of balance? Then you seriously need to study a whole lot more about how this game works. This is highly unethical, impractical, and likely wouldn't even work like you must think depending on the character. If starting with 50% meant you were automatically on a disadvantage then you'd never see people turning games around when they knock someone out in their second stock and they are nearing KO%. Mario could potentially only really benefit from this because the window where his deadly combos (which I'll assume you think are cheap) will work and be true will be much larger. Conversely, this could destroy Sheik, since she doesn't benefit much from rage and she is KOd pretty early, which would mean this method of "making the game fairer" would ironically just make the game even more unfair.
Neither of these are absolute truths, but they're things that could definitely happen.
Besides, I'd like to hear some thorough explanations as to why the characters you listed are overpowered, exactly, since the manner you speak seems to imply you're onto something we apparently don't know.

But that probably wont happen either, so the competitive scene will only remain viable for people who abuse S tier chars only.

Although I disagree with the notion that Smash 4 is oh-so balanced, you still can't deny that the variety of viable characters is much bigger. Anyone from the Top 15 has a shot at winning even a national, and basically all of the rest can still put up a tough fight much better than they ever could've hoped in the previous entries.

And all hoo has should work like DKs does. DK has a great hoo ha, but he's a bad char overall.
Chars like Robin and Rob are better, so their hoo has are relatively OP, but they aren't S tier, so the meta isn't primarily hurt by it.

From what I am gathering, basically you want every character to be bad but be carried by a gimmick?
By the way: Robin is a very strong character overall and Checkmate is excellent, but good luck landing a grab with him. You are going to need it with that laggy grab with poor grab range and the slowest run speed in the game.

Friend, you seriously need to reevaluate this post, assuming it wasn't just done to maybe waste people's times. If it was, then I have all the time in the world, I'm sorry if it didn't work with me.

 

[Glitchy_]

It was not made especially for competetive players... This is what would make a tier list on lower levels of play kinda even...
If ganons Up-smash -> Down-smash is a "true combo" (cuz lower level of play) , he's fore sure just as strong as sheik with her speed but no damage.

 

[Baby_Sneak]

Diddy, Sheik, Bayo, Zss, Cloud, Ryu, RosaLuma, Mario, and Fox are all overpowered compared to the rest.

Probably wont be seeing more patches. But if so, they need nerfed because that would make much more sense than buffing literally everyone else.

Or maybe competitive smash tourneys should start these chars with a 50% handicap.

But that probably wont happen either, so the competitive scene will only remain viable for people who abuse S tier chars only.

And all hoo has should work like DKs does. DK has a great hoo ha, but he's a bad char overall.
Chars like Robin and Rob are better, so their hoo has are relatively OP, but they aren't S tier, so the meta isn't primarily hurt by it.

Proceed to ignore or mock this post, but that doesn't change the fact that I am right.

If you're trying to vent, this isn't the place to do it.

All that time wasted when you could've lost some pounds, gained more muscle, and improved your life in some way (not saying you're fat or skinny or anything, but you could always be better).