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how to dashdance/wavedash

Jedi_

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When i watch streams i see players consistently dashdance/wavedash to move around, i can wavedash and i can dashdance but i cannot do this at the same time. I was wondering if you guys had any tips to help.

Also i use tapjump to wavedash, could that be a reason why im not getting the hang of it
 

Tohfoo

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That's pretty impressive that you use tap jump for wavedashing, but definitely kill that habit. You'll want to practice wavedashing using X or Y instead of tap jump. Dashdancing/wavedashing should come pretty naturally once you get the hang of that.
 

ECHOnce

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That's pretty impressive that you use tap jump for wavedashing, but definitely kill that habit. You'll want to practice wavedashing using X or Y instead of tap jump. Dashdancing/wavedashing should come pretty naturally once you get the hang of that.
^^This. Like you, I had been using tap-jump on the control stick for 9+ years during my casual days. But as time goes on, you'll come to a point where you find that it'll hinder your progression, due to limiting your options (technically you'd be capable of the same things, but lots of things like short hopping, wavedashing short hopping with full/partial horizontal momentum, etc. will be so difficult to pull of consistently and throughout every match that the time/effort to master these harder versions just isn't worth it; it's an unnecessary setback). It might take just a short few days to get used to using X or Y (I would suggest Y; general consensus from our community is that it's better since it's closer to B than X is. X is otherwise just as good, and many top players [e.g. M2K, considered among the top 5 best in Melee, top...10/20? In Brawl, and prob top 5 for PM] use X primarily anyways, but it's still making stuff harder for no reason). I took 5 weeks of daily play to make the transition to comfortably+naturally begin to use X. Only real way to get it down is to just integrate it into daily tech practice, and getting as much practical experience using it during friendlies as you can (don't have to use it all the time from the start, but try to use it more and more every as the hours/days/weeks go by).

Regarding getting used to DDing and WDing at the same time, get used to using both comfortably on their own. By that I don't mean like...being able to consistently do 6 or however many in one direction or back and forth because it feels/looks cool. I mean getting used to using both efficiently+practically; their most basic purpose is to provide another movement option for spacing - baiting attacks, dodging them, and going back in to punish, or some varying order/combination of each of those. Watch vids to see how more experienced players use them on the go, and try getting used to try to using them in the same scenarios by imitating them in friendlies (preferably not on CPUs; they have inhuman reaction speeds that encourage a playstyle that relies on an unhealthy+detrimental amount of hard reads. IOW, throwing out things you think will work based on predictions of how the opponent plays...and CPUs def don't play like people do, given that their reaction speed and likelihood to always do one or two predictable actions in any given situation). Here's a good vid advising on the mindset you should have while using these movement options to properly space yourself in relation to your opponents.

Little tidbit to answer your question more directly: DDing, as you prob know, are when you interrupt your initial dash back and forth, at varying timings. Because there are certain periods in which you can't do another dash in the same or opposite direction, without risking getting stuck in the laggy turnaround animation, you can instead WD in whichever direction you wanted to go, and then just WD again or return to DDing straight after. Put simply, using WDs between DDs can help to keep the 'flow/rhythm' of your movement going and maintain good spacing, without having to worry about getting stuck in turnaround if you need to retreat or approach towards/after the end of your initial dash. So...when using the two together, I guess I'd suggest thinking of DDing primarily, and then considering WDing in-between when/if necessary, or if you screw up the timing (you can just interrupt the laggy turnaround animation asap with a WD. That is to say, you shouldn't just cover up your mistakes and not focus/practice on reducing how often you mess to DD timings, but the option is there if it happens).
 
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A Big vice i've had for years is block switching for Wavedashes; so used to blocking with L and wavedashing with L that i screw up 9/10 wavedashes out of sheild. Oddly enough, i use R for Sheilding if i intend to Grab Punish. Wish it was easier to just reflexively use R for all blocking and L for Wavedashes/L-Cancels only.
 

Kaeldiar

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When i watch streams i see players consistently dashdance/wavedash to move around, i can wavedash and i can dashdance but i cannot do this at the same time. I was wondering if you guys had any tips to help.

Also i use tapjump to wavedash, could that be a reason why im not getting the hang of it
If anyone tells you that you can't be a high level player using tap jump to wavedash...Smash G0d and his brother Llod both use tap jump to wavedash. It just takes practice to be able to WD and DD. You may want to try using X or Y to jump for the WD, just to see if that works a little better, but don't feel like it's a necessity
 

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If anyone tells you that you can't be a high level player using tap jump to wavedash...Smash G0d and his brother Llod both use tap jump to wavedash. It just takes practice to be able to WD and DD. You may want to try using X or Y to jump for the WD, just to see if that works a little better, but don't feel like it's a necessity
It can be done, but it certainly isn't easy; there's a reason why there's not many people who have gotten as proficient as mid/high/top-level players using tap jump primarily. Some may get it down more easily than others, but doing so creates a lot of unnecessary difficulties that get in the way of improving as reasonably quick/efficiently as possible. Most come to the conclusion that spending a few weeks sucking and adjusting to using X/Y instead is worth the trouble in the long-run. It's obviously the player's own decision to do what he wants with what is said in the end, but...newer players should at least be warned about the potential hindrance it'll become, and that it's probably easier to transition to X/Y before you get too far learning too much tech to any degree with it. Sure it can be done, but you might end up wishing you swapped sooner or later down the line, and there's no real reason not to...besides getting annoyed at playing badly for just a month or a few weeks or so.
 

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A Big vice i've had for years is block switching for Wavedashes; so used to blocking with L and wavedashing with L that i screw up 9/10 wavedashes out of sheild. Oddly enough, i use R for Sheilding if i intend to Grab Punish. Wish it was easier to just reflexively use R for all blocking and L for Wavedashes/L-Cancels only.
You can't really wavedash OOS in PM with two triggers, so you might as well get used to it.
 

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To force you to use the button, try turning off tapjump entirely for a little while. Once you get used to using the button again, I would suggest turning it back on though to make a bunch of options way easier.
 

Desu_Maiden

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Watch a Youtube video to find out. You can learn most (if not all) Super Smash Bros techniques on Youtube.
 

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To force you to use the button, try turning off tapjump entirely for a little while. Once you get used to using the button again, I would suggest turning it back on though to make a bunch of options way easier.
This is what I did. Got tired of dying every time I went off stage because I forgot that I needed to press a button to jump. I learned pretty quick. :awesome:
 

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I've used tap jump to wavedash since Melee and I don't have any issues with it. I also like using R+A over the grab button most of the time. It doesn't really matter what you do with your fingers as long as it's comfortable for you and you make it work.

If you feel you want to switch controls, do it because you think it feels best for you, not because it felt best for someone else.
 
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vgspud

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How to Wavedash...


How to Dash-dance...


I hope this helps.
These videos are how I learned, and I forced myself to use Falco and would recommend others do as well. If I could do it with him, it became much easier to adapt to everyone else. Some people here disagree but it worked for me, YMMV.
 

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These videos are how I learned, and I forced myself to use Falco and would recommend others do as well. If I could do it with him, it became much easier to adapt to everyone else. Some people here disagree but it worked for me, YMMV.
Learning Fox and/or Falco will teach you all about the whole game just by itself.
 

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Dash Right > Dash Left > Shield > SH > Aerial > Repeat
Don't leave any neutral standing animation between actions or unwanted stutters in your movement.
Everything in the game branches off of that.
Everyone from axe to hax has basically grinded out that type of routine to get their tech up and it's basically all you'll ever see someone like m2k or armada do between stocks being things based off that fundamental burst mobility/defending out of motion/attacking out of defense/moving out of attacking pattern.
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marth is easiest to practice with and it comes down to speed and muscle memory
 

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Or Falcon
Falcon is exclusively DD Grabs and Aerials

Marth you at least use other moves.
Learn to DD Aerial with Falcon and you've already learned all the tech you'll need to know for him (basically)
 
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