How to become frame perfect

[victinivcreate1]

So, I'm actually a PM player who's thinking of moving on to Melee because of PM's jankiness (how do you end up with 6 Melee Foxes [] and none of those are actually Fox, and then you have like some dumb characters characters [] ) so I'm looking to pick up Melee Fox.


And how can I practice being Frame perfect? Not just with shield pressure, but in general?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

If there is some all encompassing secret M2K, Mango, Armada, PP, Hbox, etc. know that we do not know, then no one can tell you.

Otherwise, the answer is quite simply and probably something you probably already guessed. The secret is...

Must say the word 3 times to make it happen.

Practice, practice, practice.

That is all. :D

A more detailed analysis of the statement would be to get an idea of how to make the movement/execution, then attempt it over and over again. Did you do it perfectly? No, do it some more. 3 year later are you still dying to WD from the ledge? Keep practicing? Did you think you mastered it? No, keep practicing.

 

[EWC]

Practice in such a way that you have good feedback on the precision of your execution.

As a simple example to illustrate what I mean, suppose you want your wavedashes to be super smooth. You could just practice by doing a bunch of wavedashes, but this doesn't give you good feedback. It isn't easy to tell whether you did a frame perfect wavedash or not just by looking at the result. For a better way to practice the same thing, go to the edge of a platform and roll into it so that you are right on the edge facing in. Then try to wavedash backwards off the platform. If you are frame perfect then you will do a wavedash and slide off. If your timing is off by even 1 frame then you will do an airdodge. Now you can tell whether your execution is perfect or not, and that means you can practice getting the perfect timing much more effectively.

This is the sort of thing you want to try to go for in general. One of the reasons that the 20XX hack pack is so amazing is that it gives simple ways of getting good feedback on execution for a wide variety of important actions, eg you can set a cpu fox to do frame perfect shine oos after any shield stun and then try to do shield pressure. This lets you know if you are being fast enough and makes practicing shield pressure much more efficient than old methods.

 

[Boomhound]

A lot of high-level fox tech will test how you are with your frames- frame perfection though is unrealistic and can only be tested on a few techniques- fire-fox ledge-stall, multi-shines and perfect-ledge dash I think?
^EWC is right in that the 20XX pack is your best bet in achieving frame-perfection.
I would recommend aiming to make your frames tighter where they count- by practicing late SHFFL'D n-airs because they're safer on shield, early rising n-airs as to intercept an approach, late b-airs/spaced b-airs, shine-grab as it's always better than shield prehha and thunder's combo as it has strict execution and helps develop tech.
Consistency or spacing is more important than frame perfection imo, especially if you're transferring from PM (I find alternating between the two messes up my timing), and if you're able to execute Fox's advanced tech which has small windows of execution already then I would say you're as close to frame perfect as you need to be.

 

[-Se7en-]

1. Frame Perfection cannot be achieved due to human nature.

2. So you move from Project M because it's janky, and go straight for a Melee top tier because you just get bodied in PM? Lol.

 

[BTmoney]

I think the correct answer is to not base your game on relying on frame perfection. being frame-tight and doing things correctly is great/necessary but trying to do the neck-strain carpal tunnel option all the time is naturally going to make you have a high variance style (i.e. be inconsistent)

I could be wrong but I don't think most people, as in 99.6% of players including the top level of players, don't think about "I need to do this frame perfect"