Nobie
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I was looking at Nintendo Unity's Up Smash tiers video (thanks @godogod), which lists Mewtwo's Up Smash as being the 21st most powerful, tied with a few other characters like Fox.
Somehow though, this didn't seem right, even though the video clearly shows that they're as strong as each other.
I tested it out in training mode with a Dedede (hardest to kill vertically in the game) on FD, and sure enough with no rage, no freshness bonus, and no DI they killed Dedede at the same percent.
However, when I threw in rage, things would change.
I did a non-training mode test, setting Mewtwo and Fox to 153% (arbitrary number with high rage), and then performed their up smashes on Dedede again, making sure that they had the freshness bonus. No DI on Dedede was used. I did two tests, Uncharged and Charged Up Smashes.
Uncharged Up Smash on Dedede:
Mewtwo: 90%
Fox: 99%
Fully charged Up Smash on Dedede:
M2: 56%
Fox: 60%
You can see that, though the difference is only 10% at most, the two moves are not created equal. Mewtwo's Up Smash scales better with rage (though of course Mewtwo is lighter and so is less likely to get that high up in rage).
In general, a lot of those move ranking thingamajigs give only a general image. Though attacks can appear similar on the surface, differences in things like Base Knockback and Knockback Growth will affect attacks along the way. In fact, I'm pretty sure the reason Mewtwo's Up Smash ends up being stronger the higher your rage is because its base knockback is higher (60 vs. 30).
Somehow though, this didn't seem right, even though the video clearly shows that they're as strong as each other.
I tested it out in training mode with a Dedede (hardest to kill vertically in the game) on FD, and sure enough with no rage, no freshness bonus, and no DI they killed Dedede at the same percent.
However, when I threw in rage, things would change.
I did a non-training mode test, setting Mewtwo and Fox to 153% (arbitrary number with high rage), and then performed their up smashes on Dedede again, making sure that they had the freshness bonus. No DI on Dedede was used. I did two tests, Uncharged and Charged Up Smashes.
Uncharged Up Smash on Dedede:
Mewtwo: 90%
Fox: 99%
Fully charged Up Smash on Dedede:
M2: 56%
Fox: 60%
You can see that, though the difference is only 10% at most, the two moves are not created equal. Mewtwo's Up Smash scales better with rage (though of course Mewtwo is lighter and so is less likely to get that high up in rage).
In general, a lot of those move ranking thingamajigs give only a general image. Though attacks can appear similar on the surface, differences in things like Base Knockback and Knockback Growth will affect attacks along the way. In fact, I'm pretty sure the reason Mewtwo's Up Smash ends up being stronger the higher your rage is because its base knockback is higher (60 vs. 30).
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