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How do you feel about the Melee Community being called "Elitists"

Pizzaik

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Personally I think the Smash 4 and Brawl communities have it all wrong calling the Melee Community "Elitists" its just like calling all Muslims terrorists when thats only a small fraction of them, its like calling every Competitive Smash player who only plays Melee a jerk for telling other Smash players to only play Melee, most of the Melee Community keeps to themselves were just like the Smash 4 and Brawl communities except we prefer the play Melee were mostly a community of peace and love with only a few bad seeds. In fact most of us respect the Smash 4 and Brawl Communities for what they are Smashers.
 
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Plunder

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It makes me feel powerful and superior.

In all seriousness though you have to ACTUALLY respect someone's opinion before it can even affect you. Random stream chatters on twitch and noobs on here; when they say dumb stuff or are trolling, it's obvious there is a severe deficit in credibility and intelligence. So there is no point in even giving it a second thought or responding, if you value your free time don't waste it on these people.
 
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The elitism was more significant when Brawl was relatively new than compared to now. It usually only happens online. I can recall 1 event when Melee players chanted "**** Brawl" at a national tournament after Melee grand finals ended and Brawl had to be put on the main stage. That was years ago, so my memory might be inaccurate

These days, Melee players don't talk **** about the sequels as much. I think they learned from Brawl to not get too hyped to end up getting disappointed. Maybe Nintendo's support of Smash 4's tournament scene might have an effect too. Or some psychology. Those 2 ideas are my baseless theories

According to a consumer psychology textbook I have, only 1% of users on most sites are active. 9% are semi active and 90% are lurkers. It doesn't clearly define what active, inactive, and lurker mean. Those who speak out online are usually only those among the 1% - 10%

There's also online anonymity affecting Melee player's free speech. There's less punishment for talking ****. Every community has **** talkers online. Melee's not an exception. Trolling is an easy fun way to get attention
 

Sudoi

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Sm4sh player here: I love melee, and I love sm4sh. But usually the reason this stems (DISCLAIMER: I DONT THINK ANY ONE IS AN ELITIST) is due to how seriously we take it. If I go into a melee stream on twitch and mention Sm4sh, 60% of people are going to joke about sm4sh then put a Kappa: They're joking. But there is always that 1% that always takes it too seriously and rampages at me. This creates a little domino effect. The players who call you awesome guys "Elitists" were too much into their own head to even CONSIDER your opinion. It happens in Sm4sh streams too: people hate melee for no good reason.


But then again:

These are the same games in formula, but not in execution. @therealzef described it perfectly: "Sm4sh is fun to pick up and play, but it killed my melee game." He isn't being mean or opinionated, he is being honest. Sm4sh kills your Brawl, Melee, 64 game. And so does any other game.
 
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Sm4sh kills your Brawl, Melee, 64 game. And so does any other game.
Maybe in execution for some, but the strategic aspects can carry over to Melee. I play low execution characters in Melee, Street Fighter, and Brawl back when I played it. Playing the latter 2 online improved in Melee. Also, back when MVC3 was new, a lot of Brawl players converted to it and placed pretty well at tournaments. There's even a thread sharing success stories on this site http://smashboards.com/threads/smashers-are-too-good-mvc3.301256/
 
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Pizzaik

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Sm4sh player here: I love melee, and I love sm4sh. But usually the reason this stems (DISCLAIMER: I DONT THINK ANY ONE IS AN ELITIST) is due to how seriously we take it. If I go into a melee stream on twitch and mention Sm4sh, 60% of people are going to joke about sm4sh then put a Kappa: They're joking. But there is always that 1% that always takes it too seriously and rampages at me. This creates a little domino effect. The players who call you awesome guys "Elitists" were too much into their own head to even CONSIDER your opinion. It happens in Sm4sh streams too: people hate melee for no good reason.


But then again:

These are the same games in formula, but not in execution. @therealzef described it perfectly: "Sm4sh is fun to pick up and play, but it killed my melee game." He isn't being mean or opinionated, he is being honest. Sm4sh kills your Brawl, Melee, 64 game. And so does any other game.
Perfectly said, I think even though we have sub-communities were still a community at large and should respect each other
 

Pizzaik

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Maybe in execution for some, but the strategic aspects can carry over to Melee. I play low execution characters in Melee, Street Fighter, and Brawl back when I played it. Playing the latter 2 online improved in Melee. Also, back when MVC3 was new, a lot of Brawl players converted to it and placed pretty well at tournaments. There's even a thread sharing success stories on this site http://smashboards.com/threads/smashers-are-too-good-mvc3.301256/
I see a point in this

Melee: Fast-Paced
Brawl: Slow-paced
Sm4sh: A Medium Pace

I think players can pick and choose whatever works for them, personally I could only keep up with one and I chose melee due to the mechanics and fast-pace of the game, but I will not persecute a player for playing Sm4sh
 
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RoyIsOurBoy_TTG

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The other smash game communities are just jealous because they know that their games suck competitively and will never have the tournament scene and lifespan that Melee has, and that's why they call us elitists.......*Kappa*.

Alright in all seriousness, the bottom line is that every game community has elitist fans, the Melee community aren't the only ones, and those elitist fans are the ones that stereotype the entire community to be how they are. So as much as some other Smash players like to deny it, Smash 4 and the other games has elitist fans that are just as bad as the Melee ones. Melee elitists say that Smash 4 is dumb because every match is slow and campy and requires no skill, which obviously isn't true, and Smash 4 elitists (and the other games' elitist fans) say Melee is dumb because everyone has to use glitches to do well and the only character being used is Fox. All of which are completely false, and yes, wavedashing is not a glitch, and there were 7 different characters used in EVO 2015's top 8 for Melee. Yep, only Fox right?

I personally do think that Melee is the superior competitive game, but I'm fine with Smash 4 and play it sometimes, in which I main Mewtwo...which makes me one of the very few Mewtwo mains in all of the world right now. lol
 
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RoyIsOurBoy_TTG

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Sm4sh player here: I love melee, and I love sm4sh. But usually the reason this stems (DISCLAIMER: I DONT THINK ANY ONE IS AN ELITIST) is due to how seriously we take it. If I go into a melee stream on twitch and mention Sm4sh, 60% of people are going to joke about sm4sh then put a Kappa: They're joking. But there is always that 1% that always takes it too seriously and rampages at me. This creates a little domino effect. The players who call you awesome guys "Elitists" were too much into their own head to even CONSIDER your opinion. It happens in Sm4sh streams too: people hate melee for no good reason.
Ah sweet we have a Melee Roy main. Roy is our boy! Just like my tag says.
 
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Flippy Flippersen

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Actually had the melee elitism discussion with a non smasher offline at some point (I told him I played melee and he brought it up)
Offline it is very hard to get people to call out a game outside of their circle of friends unless asked. I will to anyone who asks say sm4sh is boring. I'll even discuss it with other melee ers if they feel like having the discussion. But I won't go out of my way to step up to a sm4sh player just minding his own business going "sm4sh sucks scrub" Most likely said sm4sh player won't step up to me and call me an elitist. Outside of having to share venues sometimes melee ers actually don't have to interact with sm4sh players at all if they don't want to. (unless they play against one in project m but then they can just treat said player like a pm player)

Online just brings out the best in people and I'm convinced I can find a melee player hating on me for playing fox, for not playing fox, for not playing online, for not playing online etc. without too much effort. I'm convinced sm4sh players can find the same kind of people.
 

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I don't see what's wrong with having a passion for one of the greatest games ever made. I guess those people who still consider Ocarina of Time the best Zelda game are also "elitists", right?
 

The Prince L

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Elitists has elite in it, so I'm fine with it. I hope they'll continue to call us like that, I like it.
 

JohnnyB

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I think the criticisms about other smash games are perfectly justified, it's just the attitude that other smash games and players of those games being inferior that bothers me. Weather they are joking or not.

It's really no different than traditional fighting game players saying things like "LOL smash isn't a fighting game, it's a party game! LMAO".
 
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I never really see it in person, I hear it "talked about" it way more than I actually hear long-time Melee players actually say something about it.
 
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On the other hand, it's a bit of a jerk-reaction to call the other person "elitist" when they say their game is better than yours. I mean someone who prefers Checkers over Chess may think Chess people are "elitist" if a Chess person comes over and says "yeah Checkers is a bad game (when compared to Chess)." Chess and Checkers are not the same game, but if someone likes Checkers but not Chess, you can't bring in an argument about whether Chess is better "game" than Checkers, because it's not about that. What happened when Brawl came out was that Nintendo basically slapped the Smash community in the face and ignored all of the things they liked: Brawl was designed to not promote competitive play (in the sense that neutrality, fairness, and control are valued so that players' mindgame and technical skills may be compared). Many arguments were made on both "sides", and none of them were good (that I saw).

For most Melee players, though, the argument is nonexistent because Melee players have for a long time let Brawl, Smash4 players play their game. The problem comes in when someone decides to be be vocal online and tries to tell a Brawl player that their game is better to try to bully them into playing their game or to try and show Brawl players that "their game is inferior." The thing is that for most Melee players, there's no argument whether Melee is a deeper or more complex game than Brawl because that argument was decided for us the day Brawl came out, but the elitist problem is caused by (and perhaps exists because of) the small minority of players posting online and being vocal about the whole thing. (Some leadership in the community would have been helpful at this time but no one in any position or 'authority' really said anything, polarizing or unifying.) M2K was actually someone who was helpful during that time because he wanted to focus on playing the game and so he promoted trying to get people to find ways around Meta Knight, I know that.
 

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I actually play Melee and Brawl, and I lke both, but Brawl does not take as much skill level as Melee.
I prefer Brawl's announcer though, I can barely understand melee's
 

MEnKIRBZ

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I actually play Melee and Brawl, and I lke both, but Brawl does not take as much skill level as Melee.
I prefer Brawl's announcer though, I can barely understand melee's
" I Ike both." I see right through your brawl backroomer propaganda buddy. Come on man
 

JohnnyB

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I'm Canadian so i prefer to be called "eh leetest" (even though i don't play melee).
 
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