How do I expose/punish bad habits?

[WalrusBiscuit]

Hope this is the right section...

Anyways, theres a player at my local scene that has some really bad habits like rolling into smash attacks and that kind of stuff. I keep trying to punish them but it usually doesnt work which makes mad. What should I work on?

 

[Roy of Pharae]

try charging down smash when they roll behind or towards you as uncharged down smashes seem to not hit often because rolls have long invincibility frames. You are Yoshi so you could try using multi hit like down air

 

[NotAnAdmin]

Anticipate the roll or wait for the smash attack to come out.
When he does throw out the smash shield/dodge and take a free grab or punish of your choice.
If you react to a bad roll you can catch them in the roll's endlag.

 

[YoshiYoshi]

You might get better help asking the Yoshi forum, since punishing tends to be character/moveset specific.

In your case, you probably shouldn't try to punish rolls with F-smash. Yoshi's only has one frame that does damage, frame 14, so not only do you have to be 14 frames ahead of them, but the one frame that actually does damage has to line up with their vulnerability frames.

You should try more tilts and grabs to punish rolls at low percents. It's not a great idea to over-commit to punishing rolls if you're having trouble doing it. They are so fast. Be happy with your 7-8% of damage and hit them with something harder next time.

Something like down-B would be a better choice for a hard punish. It can be b-reversed to punish roll behinds. Since it is twice as fast to activate than f-smash, you'll be much more likely to punish a roll in-your-face more reliably.

edit - forgot to mention that dash attacks are generally good for punishing rolls-away. Especially Yoshi's which covers a samus-roll's length of distance. Punish rolls away with dash and rolls in with jabs, tilts, and down-b.

 

[Baby_Sneak]

Get used to your own character first

 

[LightLV]

Pick a character who can

(im sorry)

Also some things in this game just isn't worth trying to punish, and trying to punish things you think are unsafe is a good way to get baited. Smash 4 is good at that sort of thing.

 

[WalrusBiscuit]

Pick a character who can

(im sorry)

Also some things in this game just isn't worth trying to punish, and trying to punish things you think are unsafe is a good way to get baited. Smash 4 is good at that sort of thing.

What do you mean a character who can? Every character can punish.