How do I combo Ganon

[ruhtraeel]

How do I combo Ganon? I try shine to double jump FF d-air to u-tilt, but they always jump out before I manage to u-tilt and I get stomped in the head. If I double jump FF d-air to another shine, I always mess up the l-cancel (because I do it too early). Should I just spam u-tilt until they get to a comboable percent?

 

[oukd]

don't mess up the lcancel and practice on computers <_<

i like utilts and uairs on ganon

 

[FoxLisk]

Utilt *****. But shine fair utilt doesn't combo - they can jump out and land on you with a dair. Its good to shine fair them and wait to see what they try next - if they go for a dj dair you can maybe fh bait them or something, or just follow or spot dodge -> utilt or whatever.

In general dair tech chases are good. Fair can be used to extend combos and push them towards the ledge sometimes. Generally you just use your superior character to force them in a bad spot and then hit them with whatever you can out of it and try to get them offstage bc edge guarding ganon is fairly easy.

 

[ThatGuy]

I know it's not exactly Ganon but a recent vid of PP I watched had him doing Shine->DJ FF Dair->Rising Bair on Peach, when she was at too low percent to connect with the Utilt. Kind of makes sense as a Dair at that % will not force a tech (otherwise you could've gotten a utilt at that point lol), Uair/Fair have limited timing and are prone to whiff. A shine-Bair might work although you lose your DJ out of it so you definitely don't want to miss that.

 

[tufts!]

Falco has no combos on Ganon. The best way to play against gannon is tech everything in place and just let them keep hitting you.

 

[Bones0]

After you DJ, you need to wait as long as possible before dairing. That's why they are getting out before the utilt. So it's like:
- Shine, JC WD immediately
- DJ as soon as possible towards their DI while still going high enough to reach them
- Wait until right before they are out of stun from the shine
- Dair and FF immediately after
- L-cancel, then utilt (if they are at a really low %, you may have to shine instead of utilt because it's faster)

 

[Warhawk]

Utilt *****. But shine fair utilt doesn't combo - they can jump out and land on you with a dair.

I think you meant shine dair utilt here and are you sure it doesn't combo? Because I could have sworn that it chains together at mid percents (on Ganon at least).

 

[FoxLisk]

I think you meant shine dair utilt here and are you sure it doesn't combo? Because I could have sworn that it chains together at mid percents (on Ganon at least).

ugh i did. my phone autocorrected, and i fixed it, and i guess it autocorrected again haha. maybe at some percents it does, i guess i've just gotten overcautious cause i almost never go for it now after having been daired too many times

 

[FrootLoop]

just hit him up and watch him do goofy things to try to get back down

 

[Warhawk]

ugh i did. my phone autocorrected, and i fixed it, and i guess it autocorrected again haha. maybe at some percents it does, i guess i've just gotten overcautious cause i almost never go for it now after having been daired too many times

Lol autocorrect sucks. Yea but at low percents, like under 15-20 percent, I agree you shouldn't go for shine-dair-uptilt as it doesn't chain usually and Ganon usually then stomps on Falco's beak and any chance for Ganon to techchase Falco is a chance for Ganon to kill Falco with Ganon's massive damage-to-hit ratio.

 

[ruhtraeel]

After you DJ, you need to wait as long as possible before dairing. That's why they are getting out before the utilt. So it's like:
- Shine, JC WD immediately
- DJ as soon as possible towards their DI while still going high enough to reach them
- Wait until right before they are out of stun from the shine
- Dair and FF immediately after
- L-cancel, then utilt (if they are at a really low %, you may have to shine instead of utilt because it's faster)

I tried it in training mode. No matter how much I delay the d-air, the utilt never counts as a combo, at least at low percents.

 

[MattDotZeb]

Don't trust training mode combos.

Ganon is easy to beat with Falco. Laser above his head to keep him grounded, stay out of his spacing, and always anticipate him to DJ after an aerial or from off the ledge. Nairs and utilts are your friend. Uair is also very good.

 

[Cummings]

Don't trust training mode combos.

This game doesn't even know what an L-cancel is or the usefullness of the C-stick. ignore what training mode says. a combo is a series of uncontested attacks on your opponent. just because they hit the ground doesn't mean the combos over. Jab resets and tech chases are perfect examples of this...

Laser above his head to keep him grounded

can you elaborate on this? even if you laser at the tip of your shorthop, it still usually hits his head. plus lasering this high is pretty slow because you have to FF later right?

 

[oukd]

^ ff timing should (ideally) be the same for all lasers (right at the peak of the jump) and the only thing you should change is when you press b after you sh.

and what he means is that you want to laser high to cover any attempts at jumping which pretty much immobilizes them. ganons love dem jumps.

 

[Warhawk]

I tried it in training mode. No matter how much I delay the d-air, the utilt never counts as a combo, at least at low percents.

Generally at low percents it won't link without platforms on Ganon (might still be possible but you'd have to be near perfect). It does tend to work at mid percents though, and even if it isn't a true combo at low percents, if you delay the dair long enough Ganon won't be able to really do much. Maybe airdodge or double jump and if he air dodges you can just uptilt again and if he double jumps usually he'll still get hit or you can just full hop bair him. Plus there are platforms on most legal levels which you can use to help your shine->dair combos. For Final Destination if you don't like shine->dair because you're afraid of getting your beak stomped sometimes what I'll do on that level is when I get a dair hit in at low percents instead of shining I'll downtilt Ganon. From that if you're quick enough you can often get a nair chain or nair->fsmash in.

 

[ruhtraeel]

This game doesn't even know what an L-cancel is or the usefullness of the C-stick. ignore what training mode says. a combo is a series of uncontested attacks on your opponent. just because they hit the ground doesn't mean the combos over. Jab resets and tech chases are perfect examples of this...


can you elaborate on this? even if you laser at the tip of your shorthop, it still usually hits his head. plus lasering this high is pretty slow because you have to FF later right?

I use an action replay code that lets me use the C-stick in 1P modes.

 

[MattDotZeb]

This game doesn't even know what an L-cancel is or the usefullness of the C-stick. ignore what training mode says. a combo is a series of uncontested attacks on your opponent. just because they hit the ground doesn't mean the combos over. Jab resets and tech chases are perfect examples of this...


can you elaborate on this? even if you laser at the tip of your shorthop, it still usually hits his head. plus lasering this high is pretty slow because you have to FF later right?

I generally wont fastfall my lasers that I shoot above a characters head, though I'm not saying I never do it. You should mix it up, it's all timing. Practice having control over your laser heights until you've got it consistent. Try to get them as low as possible (practice vs Link and aim to hit under his shield) and try to get them as high as possible (Ganon is good to practice this against)

^ ff timing should (ideally) be the same for all lasers (right at the peak of the jump) and the only thing you should change is when you press b after you sh.

and what he means is that you want to laser high to cover any attempts at jumping which pretty much immobilizes them. ganons love dem jumps.

dkuo has it right. Ganons adore being in the air, and most of his aerials will out-prioritize and out-range Falco's, but they're slow for the most part. This is why lasers are so important. If you do decide to challenge Ganon in the air you should try to use a laser to mess up his timing and bait a double jump. Once you're under him you can either knock him out of an attack (if he does one) or stay out of his spacing range and catch him with a laser before he lands and use the stun to open him up.