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How are the amiibos going to learn?

deakolt

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Are there any details as to how the amiibo fighters will be able to learn and adapt their playstyle to mimic/counter yours? I'm curious to see how complex their learning capabilities are. Would be cool if some sort of training ability were involved, could train amiibo on the best human players out there, then we'd all have M2Ks or whoevers to spar against...
 

Shiliski

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Well from a programming perspective there's a number of ways that AIs can "learn", however most of them are only good within one or two respective areas. Sometimes you have to fine-tune your learning AI to whatever task you're trying to get them to learn about. I don't know about amiibos in particular, but a lot of AIs have a Stimulus -> Response type system where they "detect" something and then respond to whatever they've "detected." For example, if it detects an enemy within grab range, it might throw out a grab. It might also realize things like "When I throw out a grab in certain situations, 70% of the time I get hit, so maybe I'll try dtilt instead". However, without the things in our hands right now, we don't really know.

There are some review amiibos out right now, but I don't think many of the people who own those are computer scientists or hackers, so they probably don't know. I suspect that the amiibo's learning algorithms might be stored on the Wii U version of Smash Bros, and that the amiibo themselves only store variable data, so it might be possible to figure out how they learn just by looking at the code for that game and doing some datamining.

One thing the amiibo seems to do is copy what others do, so there's some kind of duplication happening there. I don't know how much this applies to ATs or combos, but I intend to experiment with it a bit.

We also know that the amiibos after significant training exceed the abilities of Level 9 CPU counterparts by a significant margin. Furthermore it has been shown that an amiibo who trains against a skilled human opponent will do better than an amiibo who trains against computer players, and in fact it's not even comparable. The human-trained amiibo will defeat the CPU-trained amiibo even if the CPU-trained amiibo has been fed equipment.

My best guess is that amiibos learn in two different ways: By duplication and by trial and error. That said, that's just a shot in the dark, and we wont really know until we have the game for a bit.
 
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LordVacation

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I honestly so wish I really knew how it is they learned and retained the knowledge and how much they CAN possibly learn.

I'm pretty sure it's black magic...

With that being said I'm very much looking forward to teaching the lil' amiibo how to play, sounds adorable.
 

the8thark

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I think it's something pretty basic like this:
The Amiibo know every move and trick in the book from the start. But it only starts using each trick once it's used against the Amiibo. And the more (percentage wise of total attacks) each trick is used vs that amiibo, is how often the Amiibo will use that particular trick. Basically a copycat learning system. I don't think it will learn things from scratch.
 

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I think it's something pretty basic like this:
The Amiibo know every move and trick in the book from the start. But it only starts using each trick once it's used against the Amiibo. And the more (percentage wise of total attacks) each trick is used vs that amiibo, is how often the Amiibo will use that particular trick. Basically a copycat learning system. I don't think it will learn things from scratch.
This can easily be tested by trying to teach it ATs and seeing if it learns. It's possible that it may have some ATs pre-programmed into it, but I doubt it'll have all of them. If it can't learn some ATs, you're probably right. If it can, well, it still doesn't explicitly prove you wrong since those ATs might be pre-programmed, but either way I guess it wont matter as long as it can learn ATs.
 
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