Honestly.

[AndersAnimated]

Do any of you think the Wii U version will have exclusive characters?
Don't put that "you hope" it does.
I personally don't think it will but obviously I hope to daddy sakurai that they will.

Will it be a good idea?
Will it make people forget about the 3DS version?

 

[Themandme]

Bad idea. The thing is it's already diconfirmed.
Mods lock pls

 

[Substitution]

Just curious, why do we need to "forget" the 3DS version? It's not a terrible game by any means.

 

[AndersAnimated]

Just curious, why do we need to "forget" the 3DS version? It's not a terrible game by any means.

Oh no definitely not.
But the Wii U being the superior version.
Once that's out, most people aren't going to touch the 3DS version.
Not saying that I'm not.
But I've heard that multiple times.

 

[Substitution]

Oh no definitely not.
But the Wii U being the superior version.
Once that's out, most people aren't going to touch the 3DS version.
Not saying that I'm not.
But I've heard that multiple times.

Because clearly they can't live together. I mean, think about it, if the Wii U was meant to be the superior version, wouldn't it have been better to just cut the 3DS altogether? So that way you can put more content on the Wii U version? But somehow it still exists. Why is that?

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Just going to leave this here

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129524882&postcount=14153

Only a rumor by the way

 

[AndersAnimated]

Because clearly they can't live together. I mean, think about it, if the Wii U was meant to be the superior version, wouldn't it have been better to just cut the 3DS altogether? So that way you can put more content on the Wii U version? But somehow it still exists. Why is that?

Maybe there's still secrets with the whole Wii U/3DS connecting.
I guess we'll see when it comes out?
I just don't see a rational explanation to cut the Ice Climbers completely, that was heart breaking : (

 

[Substitution]

Maybe there's still secrets with the whole Wii U/3DS connecting.
I guess we'll see when it comes out?
I just don't see a rational explanation to cut the Ice Climbers completely, that was heart breaking : (

There is actually, technical limitations.
And yes, I understand that Ice Climbers was a fan favorite, and it's sad to see them go, but I don't see what we should leave the 3DS to die in a hole due to one character.

 

[Xermo]

Don't put that "you hope" it does.

I hope to daddy sakurai that they will.

I hope

 

[Kevandre]

I do think it is a thing. Sure, I'm hopeful, but there are enough things combining to make me feel like it's happening.

Imagine it, bro. Nintendo Direct happens. everyone's all sad because even if there is a newcomer trailer for Smash, it's a character we already know about. The Direct starts with the familiar Smash/Heartbeat/Fire thing and then suddenly BOOM. Newcomer that wasn't in 3DS. Isaac/Ridley/Whoever. Hype flairs right the **** back up. It'd be a brilliant move for Nintendo to do, and I think it's going to happen.

 

[Samuel Intrater]

Bad idea. The thing is it's already diconfirmed.
Mods lock pls

How is it "disconfirmed"?

 

[Themandme]

How is it "disconfirmed"?

Sakurai said same roster

 

[Soul.]

Just curious, why do we need to "forget" the 3DS version? It's not a terrible game by any means.

Because apparently the Wii U is always "superior" every single time and I don't know if people are like "I don't want to give the 3DS version a chance." People don't have to play the 3DS version, but to some it irks them when someone says it's not good and that it doesn't deserve to exist / be competitive / whatever. It's like 3DS-only players don't have a place on SmashBoards and need to move somewhere else.

 

[Animage]

Just going to leave this here

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129524882&postcount=14153

Only a rumor by the way

Don't mean to go off on a tangent here, but has Ridley been confirmed as a boss/assist trophy yet?

 

[Kevandre]

Sakurai said same roster

These aren't Wii U exclusive characters. the theory is that the 3DS version unlocks these characters when paired to Wii U or download DLC

 

[Deleted member]

Ehh, this is just a rumor at the moment. However, if there were more characters only available for the Wii U game, that'd break a promise in that both games would feature the same playable roster.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

Considering Ice climbers was cut because he didn't care enough to try and get it to work on the 3DS even though it worked on the Wii U, I doubt they are going to have different rosters. Plus he already said so.

 

[Xermo]

Considering Ice climbers was cut because he didn't care enough to try and get it to work on the 3DS even though it worked on the Wii U, I doubt they are going to have different rosters. Plus he already said so.

"Getting it to work" isn't the problem with the 3DS. It's hardware was the issue. 8 climbers would certainly overload the system.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Considering Ice climbers was cut because he didn't care enough to try and get it to work on the 3DS even though it worked on the Wii U, I doubt they are going to have different rosters. Plus he already said so.

And he outright told us the 3DS has a chance of holding back the Wii U version and to deal with it.

http://smashboards.com/threads/theory-on-yet-unrevealed-characters-and-the-wiiu.367767/ Also, there's a topic for this.

 

[Malkior7]

Sakurai said same roster

Your point? He also said Villager couldn't ever be playable and that he would never put Miis in.

Don't mean to go off on a tangent here, but has Ridley been confirmed as a boss/assist trophy yet?

Not officially.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Don't mean to go off on a tangent here, but has Ridley been confirmed as a boss/assist trophy yet?

He has not been confirmed as anything beyond "not playable in the regular 3DS game". Since DLC exists, and other potential stuff, we really can't say anything. We can confirm his role later entirely. But DLC can kill any previous role, so bar Sakurai saying "he will not playable whatsoever in Smash 4", there's not really much use in saying "never will happen" at this point. That's what you get with DLC, what you thought you knew can be turned on its head.

 

[Raijinken]

"The rosters will be the same."

So, if it does, they will be made available on the 3DS version via some means. Doing so would be a good idea. Fill up those last few spots and make the 3DS character screen nice and full.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

"The rosters will be the same."

So, if it does, they will be made available on the 3DS version via some means. Doing so would be a good idea. Fill up those last few spots and make the 3DS character screen nice and full.

In addition, we have found CSS icons with arrows on them, looking like DLC. So being full may not be something he cares about. Remember Mii Fighters? You might be able to press that button just open up a menu. It could just as well be a second screen too. The Wii U version may or may not have these buttons, so who knows.

 

[Fishbowl]

Before this thread gets locked for straying from the topic, I've got to say this 3ds/wii u argument sort of is the heart of this conversation.

They probably could have added more characters if there wasn't a 3ds version. However, it's hard to state a truth like that without reactionary comments from the hardcore 3DS community. No one is arguing that the 3DS version is better or worse because of that, so there shouldn't really be any fighting in this thread.

Honestly, I think it's pointless to talk about hypothetical situations where only one version of Smash 4 is made. Nintendo is a business, so the decision to make a version for each system was made because it was calculated to be the most profitable, so it would have happened regardless of anyone's opinion.

I have hope for DLC characters and stages (especially considering that texture leak where someone found arrow buttons for the character selection screen), but even then I'm pretty satisfied with this roster.

 

[The Puffer]

I think that the 3DS version is something like Smash & GO, while the Wii U would be the REAL thing. So, sure, why not?

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Back in the brawl days Sakurai tried hard to get Mewtwo in, ( As well as others in the forbidden 7, but Mewtwo was the furthest along in development.) but he ran out of time and had to cut him. At that time DLC wasn't an option. Now DLC is an option so there's no good excuse why any supposedly cut first party veterans can't be DLC. If they do have DLC then they must also do it right. They can't do DLC and add characters like Dr. Luigi, Birdo, and Team Rocket and say thats it no Mewtwo ( or whoever you want) for DLC. Any first party veterans that aren't in the games at launch must be top priority for DLC. Then once all the first party veterans are playable, then add in new comer DLC or package Veteran DLC with Newcomer DLC. Third party veterans are harder to get back so there could be an issue there, but first party veterans that don't make the cut must be playable via DLC. Newcomers that were being developed, but cut before the games release should also be DLC. Then once all that is done possibly make a just a few more newcomers for DLC. Like say maybe Sami from Advance Wars wasn't planned initially, well once all the supposedly cut first party veterans and intended new comers are playable, then create Sami and make her playable via DLC. THEY MUST DO DLC AND THEY MUST DO IT RIGHT!

 

[Terrazi Terrajin]

Sakurai said same roster

The usual hope is that we get extra characters on wii u that are then added to 3ds via update.

 

[InfiniteTripping]

There's no proof that Sakurai only cut the Forbidden 7 for time. I hear this repeated a lot and I never get a source confirming that this was his reason for cutting them. In fact with Dixie he specifically mentioned cutting her because she was unworkable with what he wanted to do with her. I think a lot of Mewtwo fans want to think he was cut for time but the real reason might be, he was one of the poorest implemented characters in Smash history and Lucario was a vastly better upgrade of him. Hell it might even be that Sakurai started by putting Mewtwo's files on the disc and then built Lucario out of Mewtwo. He might not have been considered seriously at all.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

There's no proof that Sakurai only cut the Forbidden 7 for time. I hear this repeated a lot and I never get a source confirming that this was his reason for cutting them. In fact with Dixie he specifically mentioned cutting her because she was unworkable with what he wanted to do with her. I think a lot of Mewtwo fans want to think he was cut for time but the real reason might be, he was one of the poorest implemented characters in Smash history and Lucario was a vastly better upgrade of him. Hell it might even be that Sakurai started by putting Mewtwo's files on the disc and then built Lucario out of Mewtwo. He might not have been considered seriously at all.

I thought there were sound files found of Mewtwo on the disc, I'm not too familiar with the other forbidden 7 characters, but I remeber someone saying Mewtwo was the furthest developed of the forbidden 7 and also had voice clips. Plus if Sakurai cuts veterans just for that purpose, then I don't want him as Smash director. Didn't they get Mewtwo to work in project M? If they could why can't Sakurai. I heard time was the reason Mewtwo was cut. If you have a source that proves otherwise please show me.

 

[InfiniteTripping]

I thought there were sound files found of Mewtwo on the disc, I'm not too familiar with the other forbidden 7 characters, but I remeber someone saying Mewtwo was the furthest developed of the forbidden 7 and also had voice clips. Plus if Sakurai cuts veterans just for that purpose, then I don't want him as Smash director. Didn't they get Mewtwo to work in project M? If they could why can't Sakurai. I heard time was the reason Mewtwo was cut. If you have a source that proves otherwise please show me.

The thing is, there is nothing that says that Mewtwo was cut for time. Sakurai never told us why Mewtwo did not make it in the game. All we have is a bunch of Mewtwo files on the disc in an incomplete state. People are making an assumption that it means that he was cut for time, when it could also mean the theory I posited. The fact is, we don't know WHAT happened.

Project M did some interesting things with Mewtwo but to me, he still falls short of the type of character I'd expect him to be. He's still too much of a close combat character, a role that makes more sense for Lucario. Seeing the all powerful psychic Mewtwo swing his tail at someone for an attack just seems silly to me.

 

[Zol]

Your point? He also said Villager couldn't ever be playable and that he would never put Miis in.

he also said he'd do away with clones

then he cuts Wolf but keeps Falco
then gives us a stupid Pit recolor
then brings back Dr. Mario
then introduces Marth with a vagina

 

[InfiniteTripping]

he also said he'd do away with clones

then he cuts Wolf but keeps Falco
then gives us a stupid Pit recolor
then brings back Dr. Mario
then introduces Marth with a vagina

I don't think he ever said he'd do away with clones. It's actually pretty ridiculous to expect a major fighting game not to have a few clones.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Dumb Pit should have been a palette swap for Pit ( as well as all his alternate costumes) He could have kept his personality, I mean I don't hear Bowser Jr.'s voice coming out of Roy Koopa. If Dark palette swap had maybe some original moves ( Like using the dark pit staff in his moves) he'd be more excepted. Plus if Sakurai wanted to add a 3rd Kid Icarus rep why wasn't it Hades. Even the worst case scenario of Hades being a semi clone of Ganondorf would be better than having Dark clone of Pit as his own playable character. Wolf is awesome and plays differently than Fox. Hopefully Wolf will be playable via WII U transfer or DLC.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There's no proof that Sakurai only cut the Forbidden 7 for time. I hear this repeated a lot and I never get a source confirming that this was his reason for cutting them. In fact with Dixie he specifically mentioned cutting her because she was unworkable with what he wanted to do with her. I think a lot of Mewtwo fans want to think he was cut for time but the real reason might be, he was one of the poorest implemented characters in Smash history and Lucario was a vastly better upgrade of him. Hell it might even be that Sakurai started by putting Mewtwo's files on the disc and then built Lucario out of Mewtwo. He might not have been considered seriously at all.

Are you serious? Sakurai said he planned everyone but Sonic from the start(and well before Sonic ever came in. He said planned to. They were all going to be in, period). He wanted all of those in before Sonic came along. And he delayed the game too. It was definitely Sonic + Time and nothing more. There's no way Lucario was made from Mewtwo's files. They were always planned to be in together. And even then, the only moves he could've reworked is Shadow Ball, quite literally their only move with a similar property. They're otherwise completely different.

It was blatantly a time issue with almost everyone. Dixie is an exception. Let's not forget the reason he delayed the game; To work on Sonic. We know he lacked time to finish everyone. Some may have been scrapped because while he wanted them in, they're low priority. But given enough time, we can easily expect everyone but Dixie(who had technical issues). She's the Ice Climbers of 4.

 

[InfiniteTripping]

Well if you cut Dark Pit you don't have room for Hades. You more than likely have nothing else. An original character takes as much time to develop as six clones in Smash.

 

[Zol]

I don't think he ever said he'd do away with clones. It's actually pretty ridiculous to expect a major fighting game not to have a few clones.

well, i mean
Tekken only has like, one clone in most games, not counting Tag Tournament since Tag Tournament's usually just to bring back dead characters
Street Fighter didn't have too many clones until Capcom started stacking ****ty DLCs over SSF4
Blazblue had only one clone that I know of
Not too sure about Guilty Gear, only played it a few times

Smash on the other hand
Dr. Mario
Lucina
Dark Pit
Ganondorf (with a moveset he shouldn't ****ing have)
Falco
Toon Link

all in one game

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

There's no proof that Sakurai only cut the Forbidden 7 for time. I hear this repeated a lot and I never get a source confirming that this was his reason for cutting them. In fact with Dixie he specifically mentioned cutting her because she was unworkable with what he wanted to do with her. I think a lot of Mewtwo fans want to think he was cut for time but the real reason might be, he was one of the poorest implemented characters in Smash history and Lucario was a vastly better upgrade of him. Hell it might even be that Sakurai started by putting Mewtwo's files on the disc and then built Lucario out of Mewtwo. He might not have been considered seriously at all.

this seems to say it:

"What happened in the next year and a half was that we distilled the game down, worked out which ideas we had time to include and which we didn't. Sadly, we had to trim out many great concepts just to keep within the time contraints. I had a lot more characters, for example."​

 

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http://smashboards.com/threads/theory-on-yet-unrevealed-characters-and-the-wiiu.367767/

Probably best there or in a social group.