Help with campers and a few other things

[Ja]

I have a friend who plays very defensively, and very campy. He typically plays falco and spams lasers from a distance, although sometimes he mixes it up and plays as fox. When I get close to him he just rolls away and spams more lasers, it's very annoying. Any tips?

Also he rolls a lot, is there a way to punish this? Marth's downsmash leaves something to be desired. I can guess where he'll roll and smash him maybe 30% of the time.

I've seen people in vids do something where they are hanging onto the ledge they pop onto the platform and do an aerial, how do you do that?

Finally, is there a trick to ken comboing? Whenever I try to do it they just DI out of it...

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

I have a friend who plays very defensively, and very campy. He typically plays falco and spams lasers from a distance, although sometimes he mixes it up and plays as fox. When I get close to him he just rolls away and spams more lasers, it's very annoying. Any tips?

Also he rolls a lot, is there a way to punish this? Marth's downsmash leaves something to be desired. I can guess where he'll roll and smash him maybe 30% of the time.

I've seen people in vids do something where they are hanging onto the ledge they pop onto the platform and do an aerial, how do you do that?

Finally, is there a trick to ken comboing? Whenever I try to do it they just DI out of it...

Read the thread on approaching falco that is stickied at the top of this board.

Predict where he will roll to and grab him at the end of the roll during the period where he can't do anything. You need to Jump Cancel your grab.

Note how you can press down on the control stick to fall from the ledge or away. You are given one jump when you do this. Thus, if you press down and jump quickly after it, you can gain enough height to get all the way onto the stage.

In order to Ken combo, your opponent must be at a low enough percentage so that he doesn't get hit too far away or up. Usually you will want to hit with the tipper section of the fair before following into the dair. Also, marth usually needs to dash before performing the fair in order to have enough momentum to keep up with the opponent. Everything is character and percentage and DI dependent, so I can't tell you much more than that without writing 10 pages.

 

[Ja]

Thanks, thought of a few more things.

Which way should I DI sheik's fair?

Is there a way to nair while DIing?

I'm having trouble chain throwing spacies even when I plug in another controller so I know they aren't DIing. What am I doing wrong? Ken makes it look so easy...

Sometimes when I WD off a platform I do a tumble and lay on the ground as if I took an attack, why is this?

Is there a way to fall through platforms while attacking? Even when I fastfall I won't go through platforms.

 

[pockyD]

Thanks, thought of a few more things.

Which way should I DI sheik's fair?

at very low percentages and on the stage, away so you don't get combo'd, but to survive (which is what i'm guessing you're asking about), up and slightly in

Is there a way to nair while DIing?

it's just practice

I'm having trouble chain throwing spacies even when I plug in another controller so I know they aren't DIing. What am I doing wrong? Ken makes it look so easy...

grab earlier; also, for fox especially, there are percents where you would need to pivot grab (at a stupid level - grab behind you, but you have to do it in a certain way) if they don't DI

Sometimes when I WD off a platform I do a tumble and lay on the ground as if I took an attack, why is this?

you had your shield up when you fell off. let go of L/R earlier

Is there a way to fall through platforms while attacking? Even when I fastfall I won't go through platforms.

don't really understand the question; fall through, then attack. if you're in lag from the attack, i don't think you can fall through (that'd be a little broken - no lag aerials (HI PEACH))

 

[ihavespaceblondes]

Thanks, thought of a few more things.

1. Which way should I DI sheik's fair?

2. Is there a way to nair while DIing?

3. I'm having trouble chain throwing spacies even when I plug in another controller so I know they aren't DIing. What am I doing wrong? Ken makes it look so easy...

4. Sometimes when I WD off a platform I do a tumble and lay on the ground as if I took an attack, why is this?

5. Is there a way to fall through platforms while attacking? Even when I fastfall I won't go through platforms.

1. If you're at a killable %, DI up. If you're low enough, you can try to DI down and tech it on the stage, but that can be kind of risky.

2. Let the control stick reset to neutral, hit A, then move it back to the way you want to move. Practice will let you do this faster and with fewer accidental fairs or bairs.

3. It's actually harder to grab space animals who don't DI (for me at least), because you have to dash away and immediately turn around with the grab. Just learn to start running the instant you can after throwing, and keep in mind that Falco weighs more, so you'll have to wait a bit longer before tapping the control stick.

4. That means you were shielding when you fell off the platform. Let go of L/R faster.

5. No, it's impossible. You can only directly fall through platforms if you are just free falling and holding down, any attack animation will cause the platform to stop you.

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

I'm having trouble chain throwing spacies even when I plug in another controller so I know they aren't DIing. What am I doing wrong? Ken makes it look so easy...

Is there a way to fall through platforms while attacking? Even when I fastfall I won't go through platforms.

CG on spacies just takes practice. From 0-~23%, marth can't pivot grab. Right about 23%, fox can DI away enough that marth has to dash to grab again. Marth can keep CG up till ~70%, in which case it is necessary to start uair chaining or utilt to uair or whatever works for you.

If you land on a platform during an attack, L-cancel then press down and you'll go through the platform.