Help with a Roserade Toxic Spikes team

[Blackroserade66]

Okay, when I saw the Pokecenter here, I got kind of depressed, seeing all of the extremely knowlagable trainers. But I plan on learning from these trainers, and seeking advice on a team I have been working on for a long time, the Toxic Spikes Roserade team.

For starters, I don't know hardly anything about EVs. I know a slight amount, such as what to train against, and how many EVs there are for pokemon, but the pokemon I have for this team right now were bred before I knew anything about EVs. Anyway, here are some of the pokemon I have been thinking about for this team:

Roserade @ Black Sludge
Poison point

Timid
~Toxic Spikes
~Leech Seed
~Giga Drain
~Sleep Powder

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Keen eye

Impish
~Whirlwind
~Stealth Rock
~Drill Peck
~Curse

Lunatone @ (Cutsap Berry)
Levitate

Calm
~Baton Pass
~Cosmic Power
~Trick Room
~Psychic/Substitute

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Synchronize

Relaxed
~Toxic
~Curse
~Payback
~Moonlight

Drapion @ Razor Claw
Sniper

Jolly
~Night Slash
~Cross Poison
~Toxic Spikes
~Ice Fang


Blissey @ (Empty)
Natural Cure

Calm
~Softboiled
~Ice Beam/Flamethrower
~Wish
~Aromatherapy/Counter


I know it needs a lot of work. The point is to get the Toxic Spikes out as fast as possible, then hold out until they die of poison. I apologize for not posting all of the EVs, but I already have the Roserade, Drapion, Umbreon, and Lunatone, so I don't know their EVs. I would like some contructive criticism, but nothing too harsh. Also, please do not suggest any Ubers or Legendaries. I do not enjoy using them. And please, do not suggest that I take Roserade out, seeing as it is my favorite Pokemon and all.

(Decided to repost the thread, because I was shown it was not in the right spot. My apoligies, I am still new here, hm.)

 

[SpelignFial]

Okay, when I saw the Pokecenter here, I got kind of depressed, seeing all of the extremely knowlagable trainers. But I plan on learning from these trainers, and seeking advice on a team I have been working on for a long time, the Toxic Spikes Roserade team.

For starters, I don't know hardly anything about EVs. I know a slight amount, such as what to train against, and how many EVs there are for pokemon, but the pokemon I have for this team right now were bred before I knew anything about EVs. Anyway, here are some of the pokemon I have been thinking about for this team:

Roserade @ Black Sludge
Poison point

Timid
~Toxic Spikes
~Leech Seed
~Giga Drain
~Sleep Powder

Skarmory @ Leftovers
Keen eye

Impish
~Whirlwind
~Stealth Rock
~Drill Peck
~Curse

Lunatone @ (Cutsap Berry)
Levitate

Calm
~Baton Pass
~Cosmic Power
~Trick Room
~Psychic/Substitute

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Synchronize

Relaxed
~Toxic
~Curse
~Payback
~Moonlight

Drapion @ Razor Claw
Sniper

Jolly
~Night Slash
~Cross Poison
~Toxic Spikes
~Ice Fang


Blissey @ (Empty)
Natural Cure

Calm
~Softboiled
~Ice Beam/Flamethrower
~Wish
~Aromatherapy/Counter


I know it needs a lot of work. The point is to get the Toxic Spikes out as fast as possible, then hold out until they die of poison. I apologize for not posting all of the EVs, but I already have the Roserade, Drapion, Umbreon, and Lunatone, so I don't know their EVs. I would like some contructive criticism, but nothing too harsh. Also, please do not suggest any Ubers or Legendaries. I do not enjoy using them. And please, do not suggest that I take Roserade out, seeing as it is my favorite Pokemon and all.

(Decided to repost the thread, because I was shown it was not in the right spot. My apoligies, I am still new here, hm.)

the blissey doesn't need softboiled and wish it either goes on a wish protect heal or just softboiled and it almost always has leftovers

the skarmory normally has spikes/stealth rocks, roost, whirlwind
, and steelwing/brave bird

EV's decide how high the stats are for each area like attack spec att def spec def speed pr HP

the rest of the people will have more help those are just the pokemon that i use

and you can test things out on shoddy battle

 

[WouW]

There's one major flaw: If a Poison-type switches in, or your opponent uses Rapid Spin, your Toxic Spikes are nullified and those seem to be your primary form of damage. Aside from your residual damage you don't seem to do a lot of damage.

 

[Blackroserade66]

That's why I choose Lunatone for a passer, so I can crush Poison types with Psychic. Rapid spin would prove to be a problem though, you are right. Can you please post some potential replacement moves/pokemon that I could use to make the team better? (Please do not suggest taking Roserade out, or swapping in any Legendaries/Ubers. That is all I ask.)

 

[WouW]

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Timid/Natural Cure
252Spe/252SpA/4HP
Toxic Spikes
Leech Seed
Energy Ball
Sleep Powder

Magnezone @ whatever
Modest/Magnet Pull
252SpA/252Spe/4HP
Thunderbolt
[filler]
[filler]
[filler]

Traps Forretress and also hits Starmie and Tentacruel, those are some of the most common Rapid Spinners.

Tentacruel @ Black Sludge/Leftovers
[whatever nature/EVs]
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Surf
[filler]

More Toxic Spikes if necessary, Spins away other stuff

[insert sweeper]

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm/Natural Cure
252Def/[HP/SpD/SpA]
Softboiled
Toxic
Ice Beam
[filler]

Waits while the opponent dies from Poison

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish/Sand Stream
252HP/[some def and spD]
Slack Off
Roar
Stealth Rock
Earthquake/Stone Edge

roars to poison everybody, sets up SR

 

[Blackroserade66]

Wow, looks like I have a lot of breeding to do, hmm. I thank you for this, and I will tell you if it works out!! ^_^

 

[SpelignFial]

Wow, looks like I have a lot of breeding to do, hmm. I thank you for this, and I will tell you if it works out!! ^_^

if you want to test out if this team will work u can just download and put it into shoddy battle http://shoddybattle.com/ and test it out that's how i test at least.

 

[Blackroserade66]

Ok, I made a team, but how to I use it, hmm?

 

[Blackroserade66]

Sorry for the double posting (Not sure if that is bad here or not), but I have another question for this team. (Spelignfial, thanks for showing me shoddy ^_^) I need a new Physical wall to replace the sweeper. I know that I would need the sweeper to be competitive, but this isn't a team I plan to play competitively with, hmm.

 

[DonkeyKongUh]

I feel like roserade will get 1hkoed by any half decent sweeper but w/e...

Good walls are:
Hippowdown
Bronzong
Marshtomp (dis guy pr0)
Donphan (not great wall but he's a rapidspinner if u dont have 1)
Dusknoir
Forretress (learns lots of spikes and stuff)
Gliscor
jirachi
skarmory
suicune
vaporean

Some are better walls than others and i left out a couple decent ones but w/e...

What's your team like now? And yea def use shoddy, and if u want the team for the ds use pokesav.

 

[Blackroserade66]

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Timid/Natural Cure
252Spe/252SpA/4HP
Toxic Spikes
Leech Seed
Energy Ball
Sleep Powder

Magnezone @ whatever
Modest/Magnet Pull
252SpA/252Spe/4HP
Thunderbolt
Reflect


Tentacruel @ Black Sludge/Leftovers
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Surf
Ice Beam


Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Bold/Serene Grace
80Def/24Speed/252SpA/23Spec. Def
Tri Attack
Air Slash
Water Pulse
Ancientpower

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm/Natural Cure
252Def/[HP/SpD/SpA]
Softboiled
Toxic
Ice Beam
Aromatherapy

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish/Sand Stream
252HP/125Def/125Spec. Def
Slack Off
Roar
Stealth Rock
Earthquake/Stone Edge

 

[SpelignFial]

Roserade @ Focus Sash
Timid/Natural Cure
252Spe/252SpA/4HP
Toxic Spikes
Leech Seed
Energy Ball
Sleep Powder

Magnezone @ whatever
Modest/Magnet Pull
252SpA/252Spe/4HP
Thunderbolt
Reflect


Tentacruel @ Black Sludge/Leftovers
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Surf
Ice Beam


Togekiss @ Choice Scarf
Bold/Serene Grace
80Def/24Speed/252SpA/23Spec. Def
Tri Attack
Air Slash
Water Pulse
Ancientpower

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm/Natural Cure
252Def/[HP/SpD/SpA]
Softboiled
Toxic
Ice Beam
Aromatherapy

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish/Sand Stream
252HP/125Def/125Spec. Def
Slack Off
Roar
Stealth Rock
Earthquake/Stone Edge

i kind of think this team might have too many walls now i use blissey, hippowdon, and tentacruel all as walls and that magnezone if u want it as support add light screen to it for your Blissey's ev spread it is really a person by person basis and what works for you i go 252 def/252HP/4def also u could add defense curl and be really annoying

 

[Blackroserade66]

Like I said, I don't want this team to play competitive, it is just a team to play against a certain real life friend to make him mad by throwing up a team full of walls.

(It is supposed to be sort of a lesson, since he thinks sweepers are the only way to play, and I wants to squish him without a single sweeper)

I was thinking of putting Dusknoir in as another wall, since it has Trick Room and Fire punch (The team has no fire attacks, I noticed), along with a mean Pain Split/Willo-wisp to be a more annoying wall.