Hey, I was wondering if there was anything I could do to combat a peach who CC's after getting hit and then just downsmashes for 30-50 damage. I've tried getting her in the air but sometimes it's just not possible, and you can't approach a crouching peach for a grab because she'd just downsmash you pre-emptively. Aside from harrassing her with my blaster I'm really at a loss as to anything I can do to actually hit her without getting double the damage back.
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Help VS. CCing Peach
- Thread starter Telk
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MuBa
Smash Lord
Against Peach you gotta use shines. No character in the game can CC that move.
Your best chance against Peach would be to Drill-shine -> wavedash -> Upsmash.
And besides, if the Peach player likes to just sit there and CC all day, harass her with the blaster. You gotta know your drillshines REALLY well, cuz that'll be the ticket to destroying Peach.
Your best chance against Peach would be to Drill-shine -> wavedash -> Upsmash.
And besides, if the Peach player likes to just sit there and CC all day, harass her with the blaster. You gotta know your drillshines REALLY well, cuz that'll be the ticket to destroying Peach.
Ryan-K
Smash Master
laser until she gives up on standing there like an idiot.
Wuss
Smash Champion
I'm pretty sure you can CC the shine...
I could be wrong...
I could be wrong...
Giggidax
Smash Ace
u can CC the shine. if peach is CCing everything u throw at her, jus waveshine her stupid a$$. shell definitely get caught in the waveshine if she persists on CC'ing everything.
and @ hax, peach can CC > dsmash fox's dair ezily
id jus waveshine like a beast. untill she catches on and stops CCing
and @ hax, peach can CC > dsmash fox's dair ezily
id jus waveshine like a beast. untill she catches on and stops CCing
Soma
Smash Journeyman
The blaster is one of the reasons that Fox is so flexible. If you are playing someone that is turtling in the least you can force them to come to you. As annoying as it may be, its the smartest thing to do.
Sudai
Stuff here
Or you could just approach with a SHFFL'd UAir. Get them in the air and you don't have to worry about the DSmash as much as your body with be higher than with a drill.
tarheeljks
Smash Lord
giggadix is right. if she's going to cc everything you should waveshine her around the board.
Fefnir Cerveau
Smash Lord
Right here, even though I wouldn't do that. It's all about the spaced backairs. Fox's backair=god of all bairs. Space well, and it won't matter if she CCs unless she's at a fairly low percent. Laser camp is also good, forcing her to come to you. Another strategy if you can't get in a grab. Just dashdance a lot and put some backward wavedases to juke her out. A peach is rather slow, and if she uses that Dsmash too early, you have ample time to punish. My favorite on a peach is to do a falling uair. Remember, not shffl, though you should L-cancel it. Masashi does it a lot btw(and the bairs as well). This will send her into the air, or make her fall, from there, you can follow there get-up. Remember drills and nairs can get easily CC'd. Bairs and Uairs is where it's at.
I'd suggest shffling some u-airs. Even if she cc's, it'll pop her into the air so she can't downsmash. The peach might just nair if she's popped up, so u-air and get out of her range.
Spacing is key for playing a peach.
Spacing is key for playing a peach.
Abulize
Smash Journeyman
If the Peach is just going to cc all day, spam lasers at her. You can also run in and wavedash back. Once she dsmashes go in for waveshining her off the stage or a grab to uthrow or whatnot. Also use your drillshine.
You cannot get hitted by a CC attack if you perfect shuffle+shine >_> Believe me I've done this several times and I've played lots of peaches that CC and D-smash (and also samus players) LOL Laser gayness owns peach, combo her into hell if the opportunity comes(drillshine to upsmash or even series of drillshines if you're enough good). The only think that can hit you after a shuffle it's the shine and thats all I guess.
Just don't be stupidly agressive and you'll be fine
Just don't be stupidly agressive and you'll be fine
takieddine
Smash Master
Two words:
Laser Camp.
Laser Camp.
Dash_Fox
Smash Ace
Or grab her ***! (no really, it's kinda nice!)
grab Uthrow Uairs!
Then shoot her with lasers... Phew phew phew!
grab Uthrow Uairs!
Then shoot her with lasers... Phew phew phew!
Drillshine beats peach all day, it beats the whorenado, it beats cc-ing, it beats sheilding. Now that that has been said, don't approch w/ the drillshine unless she is explicitly cc-ing or whorenadoing. Use the lasers to make her come to you, she only has a few approach moves: dash attack (shieldgrab), groundfloates steps (sheild usmash if floatcanceled, roll/ jump). If she insists on throwing turnips, ignore them (avoid them when possible, don't be stupid) lasers are better anyway (unless there is a zombie then try to catch / shine).
Marth_marth
Smash Cadet
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drillshine then laser spam
Grey Fox
Smash Journeyman
CHARGE DOWNSMASH AGAINST A DOWN SMASHING PEACH UR FEET BECOME INVISBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIPPY TOE FTW!
try it if u dont believe me its a pro tip.
TIPPY TOE FTW!
try it if u dont believe me its a pro tip.
True, but you have to time it right or you'll get seriously punished for it
gamefreak2006
Smash Cadet
I love fighting CC happy peaches. just bait the dsmash, then its a free grab or drillshine.
It's hard and annoying when they're smart
For Fox's dsmash, his legs become invincible the two frames of the attack, so that it'll always clank, you won't get punished too badly, this tactic is more applicable to falco whose legs are invincible while he's charging, but not invincible while he's attacking, and will most likely trade. My friend tried this out and it isn't that great, especially after you've used it once.
Wrong according to this:
Fox
D Smash
Total: 49
Hit: 6-10
Legs invincible: 6
IASA: 46
Charge frame: 2
Falco
D Smash
Total: 49
Hit: 6-10
Legs invincible: 1-6
Charge frame: 2
IASA: 46
Falco is invulnerable for 6 frames(0.1 seconds) and fox just on frame 6(just 1 frame) nobody is invencible while charging
You're right about the fox thing, i forgot it was only the first frame of the attack. But your data supports my argument: Falco's legs are invincible from frames 1-6 of the move, and the move charges on frame 2, 2 is between 1-6, and so his legs are invincible while charging. Also, because of this, i've seen falco stand on his tip toes while charging a dsmash inside of a whorenadoing peach. However, it didn't do him much good, it just clanks, unless you time it so well that you can carry your charge longer than the whorenado (idk if that is possible or not)
Edit: i've seen it w/ AR, falco's legs are invincible while charging.
If you've seen it with AR then all I have to say is: sorry