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Help to improve on my team

Thrillhouse-vh.

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So here it is.

"F.R.M."
Aerodactyl
Item- Focus Sash
Nature- Jolly
Ability- Pressure
EVS: 6 HP, 252 ATK, 252 SPD

Taunt
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Stone Edge

My current lead. Taunt is my first move so my opponent's leads can't use Spikes, Stealth Rock, etc., or any other status move from there. Following turn I set up my Stealth Rocks. Usually from here I use the STAB on Stone Edge. In case of Forretress, I usually switch out to my next Pokemon.

"RAPIDASH"
Shiny Rapidash (traded with a friend at school)
Item- Leftovers
Nature- Jolly
Ability- FlashFire
EVS: 6 HP, 252 ATK, 252 SPD

Flare Blitz
Hypnosis
Agility
Baton Pass

Takes care of Forretress, Skarmory, and Abamsnow for me. Use Hypnosis to put counters to sleep. While they're asleep I use Agility (or attack, depends on opponents Pokemon), and when maxed out and/or need to switch I Baton Pass to another Pokemon on my team.

"Grover"
Muk
Item- Black Sludge
Ability- Sticky Hold
Nature- Careful
EVS: 252 HP, 108 ATK, 150 SDEF

Gunk Shot
Brick Break
Curse
Explosion

Good special tank. I haven't seen Muk used and Grimer was one of my favorites since R/B so I decided to try it out. Curse for ATK and DEF boost. Gunk Shot only has 5 PP but is so worth it (if it hits anyway >_< ). Brick Break for Special walls, Steel/Ground/Dark/Rock/Normal types. Unfortunately, Earthquake is an even bigger problem for Muk than others, especially with STAB.

"Freud"
Shiny Hypno (PURE EFFING LUCK. No other way for me to describe it.)
Item- Choice Specs
Ability- Insomnia
Nature- Modest
EVS: 134 HP, 252 SPATK, 124 SPD

Psychic
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power (Fighting)
Switcheroo

HP is for Dark types, as they are immune to Psychic, but I guess you could have figured that one out.

"DONPHAN"
Donphan
Item- Choice Band
Ability- Sturdy
Nature- Lonely
EVS: 252 HP, 252 ATK, 6 SPD

Earthquake
Fire Fang
Ice Shard
Rapid Spin

The Spinner of my team. Fire Fang for Steels (read as: "Bronzong"), never hurts to have Earthquake STAB. Or DOES it?

"Sluggy"
West Sea Gastrodon
Item- Leftovers
Ability- Storm Drain
Nature- Relaxed
EVS: 252 HP, 252 DEF, 6 SATK

Earthquake
Ice Beam
Waterfall
Recover

Physical tank. Ice Beam is for Grass types. Waterfall and Earthquake have a great attack power on their own and with its high ATK and STAB it hits harder that F.R.M.'s. Special sentimental favorite of my team, like, the only Pokemon of this Gen I think is truly awesome. Caught it at level 9. stays in my team no matter what.

My brother and I did ten battles in a row, I won seven of them (not going to post all the stats but his team is: Bronzong, Gengar, Weaville, Electivire, Magmortar, Milotic)

Constrictive Criticism is greatly appreciated.
 

Pink Reaper

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How exactly does Rapidash stop Foretress from doing what it's doing, i.e, rapid spin?

Also, if Rapidash is your answer to Skarmory, why use PHYSICAL Rapidash? Fire Blast works far better and doesn't have that nasty recoil. Also, what is the point of Agility on Rapidash? It can't pass to anything, your team is covered in exactly 2 Choiced attackers and 2 walls. You can't use Rapidash as a sweeper because it has all of 1 completely unboosted attack that not only hurts it when it uses it but is also 100% walled by Heatran. Rapidash is bad.
 

Wave⁂

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One question, hemightbegiant... would you be able / willing to change which Pokemon are on your team if we suggest you do so?
 

Thrillhouse-vh.

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^ Yes, of course I would. As long as you don't tell me my team should be based on Rhyperior, Magmortar, Electivire, Salamance, etc., the exact stuff I'm avoiding with OU Pokemon here.

Rapidash has worked so far for me, but I do see where this is coming from, that was one of the things I was considering changing too.
 

~RiKu~

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Have you considered replacing Waterfall with Surf on Gastradon? It's Sp. Atk is higher than it's Atk, plus you did put ev's into Sp. Atk too and Surf is a little more powerful than Waterfall.
 

Wave⁂

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^ Yes, of course I would. As long as you don't tell me my team should be based on Rhyperior, Magmortar, Electivire, Salamance, etc., the exact stuff I'm avoiding with OU Pokemon here.
Would you be willing to use common OU Pokemon? You have Aerodactyl, after all.

Aerodactyl's EV spread and nature is incredibly redundant. Also, Rock Slide over Stone Edge, flinch rate + accuracy.

Muk's Gunk Shot is an amazingly bad move. As a boosting tank, you want lots of PP, since you'll be out attacking for a long time. Additionally, you have a higher chance of poisoning your target with Poison Jab, which has a higher accuracy.

Donphan wants Assurance to tear down Gengar, Rotom, Mismagius, etc who will block your spins and STAB attacks.

Gastrodon is kind of useless without Toxic.
 

Thrillhouse-vh.

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Have you considered replacing Waterfall with Surf on Gastradon? It's Sp. Atk is higher than it's Atk, plus you did put ev's into Sp. Atk too and Surf is a little more powerful than Waterfall.
That was what I originally had but I found Waterfall does deal a bit more damage. I'll go to the move deleter again and try Surf out on different types of Pokemon, maybe the Pokemon I faced was geared more for SDEF than DEF.

Would you be willing to use common OU Pokemon? You have Aerodactyl, after all.
In all honesty it's if I like the Pokemon or not for me, and I don't like a lot of the new Pokemon. If that makes me a shallow scrub, bite me.

Aerodactyl's EV spread and nature is incredibly redundant. Also, Rock Slide over Stone Edge, flinch rate + accuracy.
Alright. I was trying for the fastest I could go. The other Aerodactyl in my PO box is Adamant, haven't checked for anything else yet.

Muk's Gunk Shot is an amazingly bad move. As a boosting tank, you want lots of PP, since you'll be out attacking for a long time. Additionally, you have a higher chance of poisoning your target with Poison Jab, which has a higher accuracy.
Poison Jab was the move I was considering over Gunk Shot, and it missing has been a big problem, so replacing it seems like a good idea. Brick Break still good or can that be replaced with a different move too? I want to keep a Fighting type for Steel, Rock, Normal, etc.

Donphan wants Assurance to tear down Gengar, Rotom, Mismagius, etc who will block your spins and STAB attacks.
I felt that problem head-on the hard way earlier today. Deems good, get rid of Ice Shard or Fire Fang? When I put on Fire Fang my brother and friends' Bronzong was specifically on my mind.


Gastrodon is kind of useless without Toxic.
Granted. So what here is best to get rid of?

Yeah, Rapidash's Agility is a pretty bad idea, idk what made me think it was a good idea at the time.
 

Metal~Mario

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Would you be willing to breed a new Donphan? I believe he would be better if you left his good DEF of 120 alone instead of lowering it with Lonely.

Consider SD on your Rapidash. It makes Flare Blitz stronger and Muk/Aero wouldn't mind an attack boost.
 

Wave⁂

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Alright. I was trying for the fastest I could go. The other Aerodactyl in my PO box is Adamant, haven't checked for anything else yet.
Welcome to Pokemon / Math 101.

Adamant boosts Aero's Attack by 10. Jolly boosts Speed by 13. Therefore, pick Jolly, but transfer EVs to Attack to compensate. This way, you get the most out of you nature while getting more stats.

Poison Jab was the move I was considering over Gunk Shot, and it missing has been a big problem, so replacing it seems like a good idea. Brick Break still good or can that be replaced with a different move too? I want to keep a Fighting type for Steel, Rock, Normal, etc.
Brick Break is good.

I felt that problem head-on the hard way earlier today. Deems good, get rid of Ice Shard or Fire Fang? When I put on Fire Fang my brother and friends' Bronzong was specifically on my mind.
1. Bronzong isn't very common anymore, though if you have it specifically to counter a Pokemon that someone you battle often uses, I'd keep Fire Fang, and maybe breed a second Donphan, for general battles.
2. Ice Shard is a great attack. All priority attacks are pretty awesome.

Granted. So what here is best to get rid of?
Eh, whichever move you find yourself using the least.

Also, Gastrodon should have Sticky Hold.
 

Pink Reaper

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Welcome to Pokemon / Math 101.

Adamant boosts Aero's Attack by 10. Jolly boosts Speed by 13. Therefore, pick Jolly, but transfer EVs to Attack to compensate. This way, you get the most out of you nature while getting more stats.
That is not how that works. Natures boost by 10% after EV calculations, so(assuming Max IV's) adamant would generate 30 points for attack and Jolly would generate 35.
 

Wave⁂

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Well, I was assuming no EVs, since I was just giving a simplified version. (see: "101") It's just an example.
 
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