Help playing against a defensive Shiek

[Sssurivad]

OK, before anyone says use the search feature, I have searched and I found lots of useful things against Sheik but this is a more personalized topic.

I need help playing against a defensive, shield-grab happy Shiek. He doesn't use any advanced techniques except for shield grabbing, which always seems to get me whenever I try going on the offensive. What should I do? Should I play Falco defensive by drawing Sheik out with SHL spammage, or should I just try new offensive approaches? By the way, I can pretty much perform all "advanced" techniques, but I'm not that good at them during actual fighting. The Sheik I'm trying to beat is extremely good without advanced techniques.

Thanks in advance.

 

[mukoe890]

SHB spamming. and when you close in on SHB from one end of the stage instead of doing a shffld nair/dair do a grab. and simple mindgames like get close then wavedash backwards, dash forward then do it again.

 

[Sssurivad]

Sorry, but what's SHB? :\

EDIT: Blaster, wow, sorry about that. OK, thank's a bunch. So just SHL spamming and then try to mess him up with mindgames?

 

[B0mbe1c]

Yeah, SHL approach and try to grab him, or approach with SHFFL'd dair and pillar his shield.

 

[_kSo_]

Pillaring works wonders

 

[th0rn]

Just play shiek and show him what chaingrabbing is.

 

[McCloud]

He shouldn't be shield grabbing you if you're spacing your dair properly and ending with lcancel to shine.

 

[`Jammin' Jobus]

switch to captain falcon and press forward and a in mid air

 

[th0rn]

switch to captain falcon and press forward and a in mid air

Falcon against shiek..good choice >_>

 

[Repryx]

Cancel Your Shine and Grab 'im right before he grabs you!

 

[th0rn]

learning to L-cancel and SH is your first task.

 

[Sssurivad]

OK, thanks everyone.

I can SHL now. The only thing I'm having problems with is L-canceling against a shield. I can never seem to L-cancel against a shield for some reason, I can do it perfectly except for against a shield. Any tips?

 

[MattDotZeb]

OK, thanks everyone.

I can SHL now. The only thing I'm having problems with is L-canceling against a shield. I can never seem to L-cancel against a shield for some reason, I can do it perfectly except for against a shield. Any tips?

Just wait a little longer to l-cancel when you're attacking a shield.

 

[The Black Cat]

Yeah I always punish my friend's Falco with shield grabs.

Do what he learned to do to me. It's not necessary to L-cancel just aim your Dair so that so you land behind him. By the time he rolls or turns around you can already get some distance between you.

 

[Jem.]

Yeah I always punish my friend's Falco with shield grabs.

Do what he learned to do to me. It's not necessary to L-cancel just aim your Dair so that so you land behind him. By the time he rolls or turns around you can already get some distance between you.

That would be called spacing.. setting your aerials so they cant get you, like Jiggly with wall of pain strategy. But you need to L-Cancel, dont listen to the guy saying you don't need to.

 

[xelad1]

lol wtf @ NOT l cancelling, if you want to get better every move you do needs to be l cancelled

 

[saberhof]

the way i L cancel threw a shield, i wait till i hit the middle of the shield then press L >.> but i still get caught sometimes, i think its because i always wavedash out of shine and get caught in the wavedash...so i dont know if you should be listening to me .

 

[th0rn]

actually yeah, to just d-air/shine, d-air/shine is better. depends how fast your fingers are I guess

 

[basstreblevol]

shffled dair/shine/jc shine, rinse and repeat.