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Help out my marth

sagemoon

Smash Lord
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Okay so basically i've been playing smash competitavely for a year. But recently I've hit a slump and I'm not improving at all. I've reviewed my videos that I record and besides the technical errors I cant find out what im doing wrong/how to get better. So I'm asking you guys to watch my vids, rate, and give critisism (compliments work too :laugh:). Thanks for your time


Fate (Marth) vs Fear (Mario) Match 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCNfPvWm7QI
Fate (Marth) vs Fear (Mario) Match 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdS-MEdDcnY
Fate (Marth) vs Fear (Mario) Match 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elwOtm8KFiw

Fate (Marth) vs Lime (Roy) Match 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chIE8Lv1o4M
Fate (Marth) vs Lime (Roy) Match 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S09qlQaTnmA
Fate (Marth) vs Lime (Shiek) Match 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1tPDOYWVkY

The camera i was using has some difficulty recording when the screen is bright but i tried my best to fix that. Its visible, just annoying imo.

Oh yea btw my gamertag is Fate..... but i think that might be a given...
 

sagemoon

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I dont have those matches yet, jorge still needs to send me them. Stay on topic help me T_T

I'll edit it later when i get the matches.
 

thebluedeath1000

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I watched the sheik video as thats where most marths need help..

Whats up with that up-b at 18 seconds? reframe from doing that please. That first stock on sheik I couldn't say much to as you did exactly as I would have.

Don't use your second jump in air for no reason, that cost you your first stock.

At around 1:29, you watched sheik as she d-smashed, you grabbed but it would have been the perfect chance to f-smash..

That was a nice combo on your starting second stock, but you got too happy and went for a mis aimed spike, don't get excited.

You prolonged your combos with u-airs, but you really need to be pushing sheik towards the ledge. You did well on attacking once her second jump was gone.

Don't put yourself on the ledge for no reason, its a very bad place for marth to be.

over-all in that sheik match, you did well and took sheik down hard, find better players and lets see how you fare.
 

sagemoon

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haha the random up-b was because i was trying to do a reverse dolphin slash, but at the same time i got a needle, It then only calculated the jump. But i didnt see the jump and it ended up horribly lol.

Thanks point out my retreating to the ledge, its a bad habit i during invincibility frames. i'll look out for that in the future.
 

thebluedeath1000

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I watched the first mario one, you don't even seem like the same marth. You are offensive at the wrong times and defensive at others...you really didn't take advantage of any of the mario's bad situations.

At 1:42..what happened? you went down to kill him and got yourself killed. Pretty sure if you just edgehogged, he'd have been dead.

You shffled mindlessly alot during that match and put yourself in really bad situations

you charged a smash at 2:44...then hung on the ledge and asked for being gimped...I stopped watching before the end because it was clear something was amiss.

I really don't know what to say to this match, you made many mistakes and did alot of stupid things..err, what went wrong? were you excited or afraid or what?
 

sagemoon

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That was the first one recorded on my cam so im guessing i just woke up for that. (i needed to post matches where i lost so it wasnt bias towards me). Its nothing about being excited or afraid cause its a person i play with a lot.

I'd suggest watching 2 and 3 i think those are the best matches of the ones here.
 

metroid1117

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Here's some notes that I took down while watching each match:

Fate (Marth) vs Fear (Mario)

Match 1 - You should use a little more FAir and a little less NAir, in my opinion. You became a little predictable with your Dancing Blade stalls when you were over him; proof is in your first stock when both times you tried stalling Fear waited and then hit you with an UAir.

Match 2 - You seemed too timid with your edgehops at the first stock, but after that you proved me wrong. You made less errors in this match than the first; you might've needed more warming up or something. You only did the Dancing Blade stall once, but you still got punished for it at 1:50. Nice job with the mindgames in this one; there were more in this one than the match before, in my opinion.

Match 3 - Fear read you like a book when you were recovering on your second and third stock; here is where you can and should try Dancing Blade stalling. Some variations with your recovery you might want to try is to not always drop down and try to sweetspot, but Dancing Blade when you're high in the air and then airdodge onto the stage, like in the second match when you dropped down and got BAired.

You did well against Fear overall; after the first match you learned not to be too aggressive and beat him in the second and third matches. Overall, I think you should use more FAir and less NAir; its hitbox is bigger at the front, which makes it more useful in approaching. You should also look for more FSmash opportunities, like out of shffl'd FAirs and grabs. That's another thing; you can easily set up for an edgeguard by using throws, and at low %'s, FThrow can set up for an FSmash on basically anybody if they're DI'ing wrong. Against a combo-heavy character like Mario, you can try interrupting him with Counter if your opponent gets too predictable. One last thing - you shouldn't fool around at the edge so much when you're on it and your opponent's waiting on the stage. Edgehopping FAir is a better option for fooling around than NAir; your opponent won't be able to jump over it and land on your head with a sex kick and you'll be able to grab the edge right after the FAir instead of trying to up+B again after the NAir.

Just as a suggestion against Mario's, when they're recovering you can try going at the edge or jumping off and Countering their up+B; it's risky, but at the proper height you'll be able to survive. Other options are edgehop spiking and edgehop BAiring, both of which you did.

Fate (Marth) vs Lime (Roy/Sheik)

Match 1 - I could immediately tell that you're more comfortable with this match-up; either that or you got a lot more confidence compared to fighting Fear. You're still messing around the edge more than you should; even though he failed to punish you, you're lucky that he doesn't randomly throw out a Counter at you once in a while. Nice spike, by the way.

Match 2 - Ugh... you should've won that one, especially since you suicided twice and got gimped on your third stock. Anyway, you played solidly except for those mistakes. I don't have much to critique.

Roy is easily edgeguarded with Counter, or as you used, DTilt or FSmash. If you're on the edge, you can also easily pick him off with an edgehopped BAir or edgehop spike if you want. Also keep in mind that Roy has no reliable combos if you DI properly; always DI away from him and if you're close to him and you're suffering from lag, upward and towards him so that you don't get killed by the FSmash.

Match 3 - Ugh... Sheik... you did well, nevertheless. Better Sheiks will use more needles and DThrow more, but you probably know that. Anyway, avoid messing around at the edge or else more people will start falling on your head with sex kicks like at 1:50.

I don't play too many Sheiks, so I can't really help you any more here with the match-ups.

In general, my biggest complaint about you is to not fool around at the edge so much. It can get you killed if you're not careful. You could try ledge wavedashing, jumping, or rolling onto the stage for other options. Using Counter more when you're edgeguarding can't hurt, especially against Roys. You should also throw it in occasionally just to mess around with people's timing. Try grabbing more against Fear; you didn't do it too much against him. I also suggest that you try up+Bing your opponent after they whiff a grab or any other attack at you at close range; they'll almost always expect a grab, so they won't DI well, and it has good knockback for such a fast attack. The only downside is that you'll get severely punished if you missed, so use it sparingly.
 

thebluedeath1000

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Watched the third mario vs you one. Many mistakes still but I guess not as bad? The sheik video was a good match but against mario you shlffle alot mindlessly and act like hes not that big of a threat, you put yourself in really bad situations.

Going for the spike when it was clear hes not going to be in your attack range at 0.10, learn to know when to go for the dair and when to not.

Throw approaching from the ground instead of being in the air so much. Mix things up.

at around 2:50 this is the bad situations kind of thing I talk about, you being on the edge again..doing some very risky things...stop that, it will get you killed.
 

DynamicDuo

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yo that mario is pretty good i wanna ditto him, but as far as ur marth goes u need to develop better mind games and speed.
 

sagemoon

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....I dont think speed was the issue, but ppl have already pointed out my problems for the most part. And i hate when ppl say "you need to develope better mind games". Come to WA im sure he will love to play you in a mario ditto. Btw i'll update this thread cause im recording this sat/mon. thanks metroid and thebluedeath for all your help.
 
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