Help, need coaching or tips.

[Eternalgrief]

Hello everyone,

I want to love this game, but in this way I can't. I played some smash melee years and years ago when I was a kid. And now I thought it'd be fun to pick up the new smash. I can't really get into the single player, so I figured I could play online.

I don't really like the use of items, so I was glad to find out there is a mode which doesn't allow items. But I ended up getting a 100% loss ratio over the past couple of days. doesn't matter what mode, I get beat up pretty hard. I don't frustrate from games easily but this game has done the job. So.. anyone can give me some advice, tips, or some coaching on how to practise and play this game?

I already tried to look for some youtube video's and such. And they explained things and I got better, but I am just stuck on this level of play cuz I get smashed around all the time and basicly the only thing I learn each game is to recover from flying off the map.

I like Link, Zelda, Sheik, I am probably the best with Sheik

 

[GhostUrsa]

There are plenty of things to do. You'll want to hit up the Character forums of you favorite character to learn good base strategies for them, how different Match Ups can be advantageous (as your opponent's options will severely effect how much effort you'll have to put in to be effective in combat) and find videos that others have requested get critiqued. (Which you can watch the video to look for said troubled areas to get an idea on what to avoid)

After that I'd recommend playing more. You'll learn the best from losing against smart opponents, saving the replay and coming back to watch them a couple days later with a fresh mind. I've done this and have often times found things I'd not realized I was doing that was bad for my character of choice.

If you still hit blocks, I'd recommend either uploading some of the replays you can't seem to find your flaws with to the forums for critique or look for a veteran to play some friendlies with (local or internet via With Friends) to get some advice.

 

[Ravioko]

If you have friends that, as much as you may hate to admit it, are better than you, play against them. My best friends is loads better then me and it can get frustrating, getting bodied relentlessly, but in my opinion it's one of the best ways to learn (although GhostUrsa was definitely right when he said hit up the character forums, but when I was learning I'd never even heard of SmashBoards.)

For example, the only reason I learned how to DI properly was so he would stop (playfully) shouting "NO DI----!" whenever I'd die when I could have lived otherwise. I realize both losing a ton and obnoxious opponents sounds terrible (and the only reason that second thing was okay in this case was because he's my best friend) but it can be very effective.

Aside from that and character forums, it's also a matter of waiting. It's not something that happens in a day, or even a week. It takes time and lots of practice.

Granted, I'm by no means the best player ever or anything - there are PLENTY of people on this site who would utterly destroy me - so feel free to take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Vershinin]

Just for another opinion, don't be afraid of losing. I grew up playing my best friend who remains one of the best players I ever seen. I couldn't touch his Sheik, and was convinced I was a terrible player because I couldn't get a win from him.

Now that I'm playing more people I'm finding out I'm way better than I thought I was, and I can beat lots of people, just not my old friend.

Research helps too! I watch a lot of smash on youtube to see how the pros play, even though I can't play as technically as they do, it keeps me focused on the future.

AND, don't ever ever condemn yourself for where you're at. Smash and everything difficult takes practice, and remember you're on a continuum. Every time you play you will get better, and a year from now you will look back in amazement at how far you're come. Passion and focus change things, don't beat yourself up about where you are today.

 

[RBreadsticks]

Play against level 9 CPUs first and pick a character main. If you set the CPU to random you'll end up facing the entire cast that way you'll be at least familiar with everything they can throw at you.

Don't get discouraged by losses there's a lot of things in this game that can cause you to lose. Don't roll to much learn when and how to sheild properly. Learn the mechanics of vectoring or di or whatever we are calling it now.

Learn how to mix up your moves don't keep going for the same moves or movements or your opponent will catch on and punish you for it.

Overall try to not get discouraged we all get rekt at the start if you need someone to practice with you can add me my wiiu name is RBreadstik.

 

[GhostUrsa]

Play against level 9 CPUs first and pick a character main. If you set the CPU to random you'll end up facing the entire cast that way you'll be at least familiar with everything they can throw at you.

Don't get discouraged by losses there's a lot of things in this game that can cause you to lose. Don't roll to much learn when and how to sheild properly. Learn the mechanics of vectoring or di or whatever we are calling it now.

Learn how to mix up your moves don't keep going for the same moves or movements or your opponent will catch on and punish you for it.

Overall try to not get discouraged we all get rekt at the start if you need someone to practice with you can add me my wiiu name is RBreadstik.

When learning the basics on a matchup, the cpus aren't terrible. Don't fight against lvl 9's though. They are progammed to read your inputs in order to determine the best AI routes. Meaning that they'll always be able to out grab, and out counter you. Lvl 8 is the highest you'll want to go in order to test your skills, as they almost never do this. (Relying on their own AI instead of Pre-cognition)

AI is more limited to an adaptable person though, so don't be surprised if you surpass all the CPUs and still have issues. One recommendation on bots I've heard in the past that most people seem to agree upon is "practice until you can safely 2 stock them. After that, you've got nothing more to learn on the matchup with bots".

 

[Freduardo]

Hello everyone,

I want to love this game, but in this way I can't. I played some smash melee years and years ago when I was a kid. And now I thought it'd be fun to pick up the new smash. I can't really get into the single player, so I figured I could play online.

I don't really like the use of items, so I was glad to find out there is a mode which doesn't allow items. But I ended up getting a 100% loss ratio over the past couple of days. doesn't matter what mode, I get beat up pretty hard. I don't frustrate from games easily but this game has done the job. So.. anyone can give me some advice, tips, or some coaching on how to practise and play this game?

I already tried to look for some youtube video's and such. And they explained things and I got better, but I am just stuck on this level of play cuz I get smashed around all the time and basicly the only thing I learn each game is to recover from flying off the map.

I like Link, Zelda, Sheik, I am probably the best with Sheik

Play more Link. His spam is better, and his kill techniques are easier. Sheik isn't the way she was in melee which could throw you off. She can still do some crazy combos, but her final kills (really important) don't come as often.

This should at least get you out of your 100% loss slump.

 

[visvim]

Welcome - you've definitely come to the right place to learn! Even if you say you "can't get into single player" it's definitely the best place to start if you don't have friends who play. Sounds remedial, but make sure you know all of the controls. Just picking a character you enjoy (Sheik is a great choice btw, though requires more practice and patience to get those kills than say, Link) and taking her to 1P smash or training mode will allow you to get a feel for the character and develop a better understanding of what she's capable of. Knowing how to consistently perform her moves is vital. Avoid level 9 CPUs as, like @ GhostUrsa said, they behave in unrealistic, sometimes unmanageable ways, and will only serve to teach you bad habits in the long run. If you have to play a CPU, go with level 3-7.

Once you have the basic controls down pat, I suggest reading the stickies in the Sheik forum and watching Sheik tournament matches on YouTube. This will show you how to use the moves you learned in a situational basis - where and when they work best.

A lot of players in For Glory are either very experienced with the character they're using or just know how to abuse tactics that newer players don't know how to deal with. Seek out a local Smash community or find people on here to battle online. Never get discouraged as playing Smash is a journey.

 

[Eternalgrief]

Wow, thank you for all your comments. Havn't been at a pc for a while since it broke down, I already been beating lvl 8 and 9 cpu's with ease. And none of my friends play smash lol, infact none of my friends own a wii-u. But I will keep trying and hopefully I'll get to a level were I can take a win every now and then.

 

[Deleted member]

As others have already said, I recommend hitting up the Sheik sub-forum in the characters discussion threads. Since you don't have friends who play Smash, I also recommend you look for people on this forum that live near you to keep lag down to a significant amount. Don't be discouraged if you lose since that's the only way you learn, but it's important to take breaks if you're getting really frustrated. Good luck! You play one of the best characters in the game at the moment so I'd say you're off to a good start.

Here's the Sheik sub-forum I mentioned: http://smashboards.com/forums/sheik.470/

Introduce yourself to your new family there in the social thread and read up lots on your character.

 

[YourFaithfulStudent]

That suck you dont have friends that play smash (i feel your pain)
But thats awesome your beating Cpus now!

I would say theirs was 3 ways that improve ME as a player.

1st I watching people play "for glory". Like Jtails or Zero. Pro players that know what there doing and talking about.
They think out loud so in some way, your in the mind-set of a pro Sheik player (or a very good Sheik player)

2nd I look up some character guides! There are so many amazing smash4 guides and people are always wanting to help other players.

3rd I played online a-lot and save replays a-lot. Watching replays can teach you and allow you to see your goofs much quicker. Watching yourself with a cool head my help you see better then trying to learn with massive play sessions.
(even though thats possible too, i would try both out)

Well thats how I got a-bit better. I hope this helps you some way.

 

[Eternalgrief]

Again, thanks for the positive and helpful reply's. They helped me a lot and really boosted my spirit.
One more question though, is it worth getting a gamecube controller? And I noticed there are 2 kinds, a remake of the Gamecube controller which needs an adapter or a new controller from nintendo for smash.. (Still got some old cube controllers but... let's say they had a rough life ) using a wii-u pro controller now.

 

[RBreadsticks]

If the wiiu pro is comfortable for you stick with it. People favored the GameCube controller because of years of melee and brawl(I think you could use it in brawl?) play. But if the wiiu pro feels right for you stick with it. I personally favor the wiiu pro controller as its like a 360 controller which im most familiar with. If you have experience with the GameCube controller go for it.

 

[Trunks159]

Again, thanks for the positive and helpful reply's. They helped me a lot and really boosted my spirit.
One more question though, is it worth getting a gamecube controller? And I noticed there are 2 kinds, a remake of the Gamecube controller which needs an adapter or a new controller from nintendo for smash.. (Still got some old cube controllers but... let's say they had a rough life ) using a wii-u pro controller now.

No need for a gamecube controller. I use the gamepad. Best way to get good is to learn the fundamentals.

 

[Eternalgrief]

Okidoki =) probably will be ending up buying one anyway though. Gf noticed there is a Peach edition (Pink controller *facepalm*) So I will be able to try both soon.

 

[AUS]

It's quite early in the game so its hard to know the best and most optimal moves in the game. So far grabs are seeming to be very useful in Smash since they can lead to great follow ups (Ex: Down Throw Up-Air for Diddy, Down Throw Fair for Ness). As for help with Sheik from what I've seen she is amazing at tacking on damage with a good grab range, good projectile and super fast fair that can even chain if there is bad DI on the counterpart. Sheik however has a lot of trouble killing due to having fairly low knockback. So far the best way to kill with Sheik so far is Forward throw into Bouncing Fish (Down B). As for the small amount of Link I played, more or less play him as a spacing character, throw out a lot of boomerangs and arrows and if your going to approach Nair is probs your best approach option. As for killing, Up B on the ground is damn good and can punish rolls super well. Anyways hope this helps, dont play any Zelda so cant help you there.

 

[Trunks159]

Etrernal greif, are you open around 6:30-9:00 wouldn't mind playing someone good on wifi. If you live somewhere near PA.

 

[Eternalgrief]

Etrernal greif, are you open around 6:30-9:00 wouldn't mind playing someone good on wifi. If you live somewhere near PA.

I live in the Netherlands :o (Europe)

 

[Trunks159]

Ah so you're close! See you then!