Help countering Shield-Grabbing and Crouch-Cancelling

[Scarlet Bean]

Got any tips on how I can beat this fagola
Btw I play Luigi/Falco
Having trouble against Peach

 

[Nicco]

dont put urself in a position where you can get shield grabbed or CCd

 

[SAUS]

It's mostly about spacing yourself so they can't reach you with their attacks after you've hit them (whether they are shielding, crouch cancelling, or doing nothing). Landing behind Peach's shield tends to be pretty effective, but you still have to be quite far behind her to avoid nair/bair out of shield. From there, you can spam up-tilts pretty safely. I also find running in, jump, shine inside them, and then double jump away is a pretty safe option. Peach can't really follow you upwards and if you hit her, you can get a combo started. This strategy is really bad on FD, however. You really want to be able to land on a platform.

 

[Xyzz]

For Falco: Dair/Shine beat Peach's CC starting at zero percent on her. For Luigi I have no idea what you might want to use... maybe the generic grab
To avoid shield grabs you have two options: either you avoid the grab by not being in range (fading away with an aerial, using the tip of either character's long ranging ftilts) or use a move that will be faster than their grab... which is mostly applicable after hitting their shield with an aerial (if you fsmash their shield, you get punished for that. Don't do it :D). Falco can shine and then have a plethora of mixups available to him (grab, wd, aerial, more shines), Luigi has decent mixups with his jab combo (it's not as safe as shine, but if they always want to grab after your aerial, jab will beat their shield grab if you did the aerial low to the ground... and they can't know whether it's safe to grab after it either, because... there might be another one ).

 

[Massive]

You can always try landing behind them.
It's hard to grab someone when you're facing the other way.

 

[-ACE-]

As luigi... definitely grab peach whenever you can when she is at 0%. Immediately dthrow her to usmash (as luigi you are the fastest character on the ground if you're good at wavedashing, and you can get the throw off before they DI.... common setup for this is SH aerial to waveland grab), and see if you can uair/fair/bair her after. Once you get that cruicial 30-40% on her everything becomes easier. Don't uthrow peach after 40% if you want to combo, but just remember peach being above you is best. Luigi's uair isn't the best but it's disjointed enough to get hits in on most characters that are above you. be patient. As far as shield grabbing just get more used to the hitboxes, her grab isn't long at all (I realize this is easier with luigi). Just try your best not to be predictable and get your movement down.

 

[EPsilon933]

(This is about Falco vs Peach)

Spikes and meteor smashes are not crouch cancelable. Use dairs against a crouching Peach. However, dairs aren't too great of moves to use in the neutral game. You're kind of a moving wall which is easier to hit. Nairs will more reliably hit opponents in the neutral spacing game which will better match Peach's priority. Predict when it's best to go for dairs or nair or other stuff

Dair > Shine is not shield grabbable when done (near) frame perfectly. However, shine > aerial against a shield is after the aerial hits. Don't mindlessly attack her shield. You could try shine > grab. This helps cover her option if she chooses to stay in shield. Also, shield grabbing works against badly spaced shield pressure. Don't always get up in her face in grabable reach. Attack the shield from safer distances if you think it's best to poke her shield. She'll have difficulty punishing directly out of shield if you're in front of her. Nair oos doesn't reach very far and fair oos takes too long to start

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

This was not mentioned at all for CC.

Use late aerials which means doing it low to the ground.
-By getting the strongest hit (first few frames of aerials typically) you minimize the percentage range Peach can CC you and retaliate.
-If you hit bowser at his head, then it takes some amount of time after hitlag before you finish your aerial and end up on the ground. If you hit him at his feet you have minimize the extra air time between your next movement. This applies to literally any character.

For shield grabbing, the solution is really easy. Make sure you are not in the range to get shield grabbed or ever in the lag to be shield grab. Its just difficult to implement doing this.

 

[Scarlet Bean]

Appreciate all your help, guys
Means alot ykno