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Hail Team

mood4food77

Smash Hero
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my hail team, it started off as a no physical attacks allowed then it got walled to no end by a blissey (unless glaceon, abomasnow or cress got CHs) so i changed it a bit into this monster of a team

Abomasnow@choice specs
Snow Warning
252/252/6 (Sp.ATK/SPD/HP)
Timid
Blizzard
Focus Blast
Energy Ball
HP Ground

well, since it's a hail team, it needs abomasnow, so to keep with the special theme too, i made it a specs user, but i might try scarf for the added speed...don't know what's better, also with HP ground...it hits pretty much everything for SE (i think except for bug, fighting, dark, psychic, ghost, and weezing), so a must lead for an ice team

Glaceon@choice specs
Snow Cloak
252/252/6 (SP.ATK/SPD/HP)
Modest
Blizzard
Shadow Ball
HP Electric
Water Pulse

well, it's specs glaceon, but i don't know if this is the right moveset, it has a horrible movepool (i mean....hyper beam, ice beam, and icy wind as the only other special moves...), so a little help will be nice, don't know if the EV spread is 100% correct either, but still, a special hail team is crying for this

Tentacruel@leftovers
Clear Body
252/252/6 (HP/SP.DEF/SP.ATK)
Calm
Haze
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes
Surf

Spiker, spinner, hazer, team support, really helps too, especially with hazing

Bronzong@leftovers
Heat Proof
252/152/62/44 (HP/DEF/SP.ATK/SP.DEF)
Calm
Calm Mind
Psychic
HP Dark
Stealth Rock

now, a version of my CM bronzong (i think i should change EVs a bit...make it more defensive since it has calm mind) but it's also a SRer which is very good on a hail team, makes fire pokes think twice about switching in, i don't exactly know what 2 special moves would give best type coverage (i mean...i think only steel and dark types resist dark/psychic, the ones that don't have a dual typing with fighting or psychic (for steel) and poison (for dark)), so it's not bad in type coverage, and HP dark is to deal with any cressy who tries to outstall me, also don't know if this would be a case in which heatproof is wanted over levitate

Salamence@leftovers
Intimidate
252/252/6 (ATK/SPD/HP)
Jolly
Wish
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Thunder Fang

he's my wish passer and my physical sweeper (greatly needed for blissey), is there a better poke that can do this?

and finally...

Cresselia@leftovers
levitate
252/196/62 (HP/DEF/SP.DEF) (i might go to a 252/252/6 spread)
Bold
Calm Mind
Psychic
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting

i don't think anything resists psychic, ghost, and fighting all at once (dark/poison (comes really close), steel/flying, dark/flying, bug/steel, ghost/dark (alright...only takes neutral from dark, it's the winner) come close but no cigar), don't know if moonlight would be helpful cause of 25% healing in hail

other than that, i think it's decent, only other things that would help would be a decent wishpasser and possibly stallrein, but other than that, i think it's solid

what do you guys think?
 

Terywj [태리]

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my hail team, it started off as a no physical attacks allowed then it got walled to no end by a blissey (unless glaceon, abomasnow or cress got CHs) so i changed it a bit into this monster of a team

Abomasnow@choice specs
Snow Warning
252/252/6 (Sp.ATK/SPD/HP)
Timid
Blizzard
Focus Blast
Energy Ball
HP Ground

well, since it's a hail team, it needs abomasnow, so to keep with the special theme too, i made it a specs user, but i might try scarf for the added speed...don't know what's better, also with HP ground...it hits pretty much everything for SE (i think except for bug, fighting, dark, psychic, ghost, and weezing), so a must lead for an ice team
Eh...I'm not too fond of Focus Blast...but...whatever.

Glaceon@choice specs
Snow Cloak
252 Sp Atk/252 Spd/4 Hp
Modest
Blizzard
Shadow Ball
HP Electric/Fire/Fighting
Water Pulse

well, it's specs glaceon, but i don't know if this is the right moveset, it has a horrible movepool (i mean....hyper beam, ice beam, and icy wind as the only other special moves...), so a little help will be nice, don't know if the EV spread is 100% correct either, but still, a special hail team is crying for this
I changed the EV's. Mirror Coat is also an option if you're not running Specs.

Tentacruel@leftovers
Clear Body
252/252/6 (HP/SP.DEF/SP.ATK)
Calm
Haze
Rapid Spin
Toxic Spikes
Surf

Spiker, spinner, hazer, team support, really helps too, especially with hazing
Good.

Bronzong@leftovers
Heat Proof
252/152/62/44 (HP/DEF/SP.ATK/SP.DEF)
Calm
Calm Mind
Psychic
HP Fighting
Stealth Rock

now, a version of my CM bronzong (i think i should change EVs a bit...make it more defensive since it has calm mind) but it's also a SRer which is very good on a hail team, makes fire pokes think twice about switching in, i don't exactly know what 2 special moves would give best type coverage (i mean...i think only steel and dark types resist dark/psychic, the ones that don't have a dual typing with fighting or psychic (for steel) and poison (for dark)), so it's not bad in type coverage, and HP dark is to deal with any cressy who tries to outstall me, also don't know if this would be a case in which heatproof is wanted over levitate
Psychic and Hp Dark don't have too hot type coverage. Try Hp Fighting.

Salamence@leftovers
Intimidate
252/252/6 (ATK/SPD/HP)
Jolly
Wish
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Fang/Roost

he's my wish passer and my physical sweeper (greatly needed for blissey), is there a better poke that can do this?
Changed some stuff.

and finally...

Cresselia@leftovers
levitate
252/196/62 (HP/DEF/SP.DEF) (i might go to a 252/252/6 spread)
Bold
Calm Mind
Psychic
Shadow Ball
HP Fighting

i don't think anything resists psychic, ghost, and fighting all at once (dark/poison (comes really close), steel/flying, dark/flying, bug/steel, ghost/dark (alright...only takes neutral from dark, it's the winner) come close but no cigar), don't know if moonlight would be helpful cause of 25% healing in hail
Moonlight would not be a good option. Otherwise looks good.

other than that, i think it's decent, only other things that would help would be a decent wishpasser and possibly stallrein, but other than that, i think it's solid

what do you guys think?
It's good. Of course Fires/Electrics are gonna be a pain.
TeryMeter: 7.9/10

Possible sideliners:
Weavile@Choice Band/Scarf
Adamant/Jolly
Pressure
Aerial Ace
Brick Break
Ice Punch/Ice Shard
Night Slash/Puruit


Walrein is also available over Tentacruel.
 

mood4food77

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walrein sucked on this team...majorly

HP dark on bronzong is for psychics and ghosts when cressy goes (it helps so much)

HP ground on abomasnow is for fire switch ins, and boy does it hurt them

and focus blast is for coverage (he can almost 2HKO a blissey)

you didn't change the EVs on my glaceon...

i think i'll go roost on him...probably why he dies so fast, best info anyone given so far

and fires/electrics aren't a pain really, it's just blissey once salamence goes down, i just hope for a CH with abomasnow's focus blast, glaceon's blizzard, and cressy's hp fight (after 2-3 CMs)

only a 7.9/10...it might not look good on paper but come on...it's gotta be better than that, kenji got experience with this team
 

Terywj [태리]

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walrein sucked on this team...majorly

HP dark on bronzong is for psychics and ghosts when cressy goes (it helps so much)

HP ground on abomasnow is for fire switch ins, and boy does it hurt them

and focus blast is for coverage (he can almost 2HKO a blissey)

you didn't change the EVs on my glaceon...

i think i'll go roost on him...probably why he dies so fast, best info anyone given so far

and fires/electrics aren't a pain really, it's just blissey once salamence goes down, i just hope for a CH with abomasnow's focus blast, glaceon's blizzard, and cressy's hp fight (after 2-3 CMs)

only a 7.9/10...it might not look good on paper but come on...it's gotta be better than that, kenji got experience with this team
Okay.......but think T-wave running Bliss...
 

mood4food77

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i've beaten 4 teams with a twave running bliss

i also beat an uber team with this team now that i think of it

that's cause i killed 2 of his pokes before losing one...then he quit
 

MysticKenji

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Location
Orlando, FL / Pittsburgh, PA
As far as Wishpasser/PhysiSweepers go, Mence's only OU competition is Jirachi.
After that is Raichu and Wigglytuff
And after that you have the likes of Girafarig and Delcatty. >_>

Also, CM is entire reason Cressy gayed me so hard.
 

mood4food77

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haha

Me: you're togekiss is officially gay
You:he tries

a few turns later

Me:i think my cressy just outdid your togekiss
You:...


still a gg

you're togekiss KO 3 pokes of mine, my cressy KO 4 of yours
 

mood4food77

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i had

Walrein@leftovers
Ice Body
252/252/6 (HP/DEF/SP.ATK)
Calm
Roar
Protect
Substitute
Surf
 
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