Guerrilla Luigi's Guide to Platforms

[ELStalky]

I have been exploring Luigi for a while now and what i found recently never stood out to me in matches that i have seen, i surely have not seen that many and maybe i am not attentive enough to notice, or people just do not use it because they don't know about it or they don't think it's worth the trouble.

What i am referring to is the fitting in of another action when doing a dropping aerial from platforms. In some scenarios the window is prohibitively small but in others (think about how high Dreamland's lower platforms are), it is quite easy.

Possible sequences include:

Walk/slide off platform
-> Aerial
-> Air-dodge
-> Wave-land to safety
-> Re-jump
-> Fall through platform instead of landing (completed aerials only)
-> N-Air (for large windows)​

I started to accumulate some data on how much time there is for all the drops and what hence can be done. The letters refer to the aerial made.

Battlefield

Upper Platform to Lower Platforms
Lower Platforms to Ground

Air-time:

30-31 Frames​

Auto-cancels:

U, D, F​

Complete:

B: 2-3 Frames​

Interruptible:

D: 2-3 Frames
U: 1-2 Frames​

Dream Land

Upper Platform to Lower Platforms

Air-time:

27-28 Frames​

Auto-cancels:

U, D, F, B​

Lower Platforms to Ground

Air-time:

33 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

F​

Complete:

U: 0 Frames
D: 1 Frame (enough for an air-dodge when input upon completion leading into that frame)
B: 5 Frames​

Interruptible:

U: 4 Frames
D: 5 Frames
F: 1 Frame​

Yoshi's Story

Upper Platform to Lower Platforms

Air-time:

26 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 11 Frames
D: 3 Frames
F: 7 Frames
B: 8 Frames​

Lower Platforms to Ground

Air-time:

29 Frames​

Auto-cancels:

U, D, F​

Complete:

B: 1 Frame​

Interruptible:

D: 1 Frame​

Pokémon Stadium

Default

Platforms to Ground

Air-time:

30 (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U, D, F​

Complete:

B: 2 Frames​

Interruptible:

D: 2 Frames
U: 1 Frame​

Water

Lower Platform to Pond

Air-time:

30 (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U, D, F​

Complete:

B: 2 Frames​

Interruptible:

D: 2 Frames
U: 1 Frame​

Upper Platform to Lower Platform

Air-time:

24 (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 9 Frames
D: 1 Frame
F: 5 Frames
B: 6 Frames​

Fire

Shelter to Stage Frame

Air-time:

26-27 Frames​

Auto-cancels:

U: 11-12 Frames
D: 3-4 Frames
F: 7-8 Frames
B: 8-9 Frames​

Shelter to High Ground (Right Side, Straight Down)

Air-time

24-25 Frames (24: 4x, 25: 6x)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 9-10 Frames
D: 1-2 Frame/s
F: 5-6 Frames
B: 6-7 Frames​

Shelter to Low Ground (Left Side, Hole)

Air-time

28-29 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 13-14 Frames
D: 5-6 Frames
F: 9-10 Frames​

Complete:

B: 0-1 Frame/s​

Interruptible:

D: 0-1 Frame/s​

Tree Platform to Stage Frame

Air-time

32-33 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

F​

Complete:

D: 0-1 Frame/s
B: 4-5 Frames​

Interruptible:

U: 3-4 Frames
D: 4-5 Frames
F: 0-1 Frame/s​

Rock

Right Middle Platform to Ground

Air-time:

26-27 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 11-12 Frames
D: 3-4 Frames
F: 7-8 Frames
B: 8-9 Frames​

Right Upper Platform to Left Lower Platform

Air-time:

21 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 6 Frames
F: 2 Frames
B: 3 Frames​

Left Upper Platform to Right Middle Platform

Air-time:

25 Frames​

Auto-cancels:

U: 10 Frames
D: 2 Frames
F: 6 Frames
B: 7 Frames​

Grass

Upper Platform to Lower Platform

Air-time:

24 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 9 Frames
D: 1 Frame
F: 5 Frames
B: 6 Frames​

Lower Platform to Grass on the Left

Air-time:

25-26 Frames (25: 3x, 26: 7x)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 10-11 Frames
D: 2-3 Frames
F: 6-7 Frames
B: 7-8 Frames​

Lower Platform to Grass on the Right

Air-time:

24-25 Frames (24: 7x, 25: 3x)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 9-10 Frames
D: 1-2 Frames
F: 5-6 Frames
B: 6-7 Frames​

Lower Platform to Grass Below

Air-time:

27-28 Frames (27: 5x, 28: 5x)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 12-13 Frames
D: 4-5 Frames
F: 8-9 Frames
B: 9-10 Frames​

Complete:

B: ? Frames (While my small measure samples yielded nothing above 28 i was still able to wave-land after a back-air and jump after a down-air, so maybe an input can be made one frame earlier than i thought or sometimes the air-time is longer.)​

Interruptible:

D: ? Frames (See above)​

Tree to Grass Below

Air-time:

<16 Frames => Not enough for anything (If you drop through you get more air-time and can auto-cancel stuff)​

Tree to Grass Below the Lower Platform

Air-time:

17-18 Frames (predominantly)​

Auto-cancels:

U: 2-3 Frames​

Fountain of Dreams

[A lot of configurations with subtle differences, hard to describe and discern in-game. I recommend doing some trial and error yourself.]​

On interruptibility:

You cannot interrupt aerials with an air-dodge, you can however jump and start an air dodge on the next frame. This will minimally move Luigi up before the air-dodge resulting in an almost perfect wave-land when done just above the ground, this can be started on the last frame in the interruptibility window without landing.​

On air-times:

This is measured from when Luigi is in the falling animation (inclusive) until you see the landing splash (exclusive).
Aerials can start on frame 1, last air-dodge can be made between the (n-1)-th and n-th frame, presumable because of its start-up.
Frame count can differ because the character probably leaves the platform at a much more precise time than what is rendered, inputs however are evaluated at discreet times are as far as i know though. How Luigi leaves the edge (running, sliding, walking) may also matter...​

Frame window calculations are based on SuperDoodleMan's frame data, i confirmed some results via testing.

A short demo:

(The re-jump wave-lands that i do appear to be imperfect by one frame, i.e. the R button was pressed two frames after the jump instead of one.)

Has anyone used this? Do you people think this could be useful?

 

[Nguz95]

Dude this stuff is next level. I'm going to need to implement a lot of it into my game. Thank you for going to all the trouble of putting it together. Hopefully someone else will stop by and check this out, as its definitely worthwhile.

 

[ELStalky]

Damn, someone commented, maybe i need to finish the data accumulation after all...

 

[Nguz95]

Lol. Sorry to revive such a dead thread. I've been playing a lot of Luigi lately, and I noticed your info. It's really good, but I'm not particularly beholden to you finishing it.

 

[Blea Gelo]

i knew this stuff already, even though i do think its important to put it here. nice thread !!!

 

[Zelbertoad]

Thanks for making this! I found it very useful and convenient. I look forward to the Fountain of Death addition. haha

 

[ELStalky]

Thanks for making this! I found it very useful and convenient. I look forward to the Fountain of Death addition. haha

Sorry, i'll be scrapping FoD. I just looked at it and there are a lot of configurations with subtle differences, so it is hard to describe which drops i mean and it may even be hard to tell which configuration the stage is in as well.

 

[Zelbertoad]

Sorry, i'll be scrapping FoD. I just looked at it and there are a lot of configurations with subtle differences, so it is hard to describe which drops i mean and it may even be hard to tell which configuration the stage is in as well.

It's alright. I already have an idea of what will work on FoD for different platform height changes.

 

[Verda Stelo]

Care to discuss it? Does anybody know if FoD platforms are at the same height as any others at any points?

 

[Griffard]

One thing nice about FoD platforms is that when they are sort of short, Luigi can edge cancel Side B's pretty easily from ledge by jumping back.

 

[Verda Stelo]

Is that with a smash missile or a tilt? I like to implement edge cancel missiles into my movement very occasionally but I have trouble landing them consistently (from wavedash/step off platform) on any stage but YS. It's usually too risky to bother though.

 

[KH0N]

It's always nice to know how to maneuver the platforms.

 

[Zelbertoad]

Care to discuss it? Does anybody know if FoD platforms are at the same height as any others at any points?

The top platform and one side platform(at its highest height) are similar to the heights of the top platform and side platform on YS or BF.

One thing about FoD is to look at which side platform is rising or falling. If one rises the other falls and vice versa.

It might help to pressure opponents to the side platform that has the shorter height to get combos off that platform. Also grab and u throw your opponent if they are away from the short platform and your opponent might DI towards where the short platform is to get away from the ledge.

 

[Verda Stelo]

Thanks for the tip. I really like FoD, if only its ceiling weren't so high it would be a great Luigi stage -- especially because everyone else seems to hate it! Luckily that ceiling also works against Fox though.

From a lowered platform you can shield pressure with drop cancelled nairs and bait people with the foot hitbox of the aerial tornado that they don't know about.