Guaranteed phantom hits?

[iAmMatt]

I know there's TAS videos of people building a stationary character's percent with only phantoms then finishing them off with a dtilt or something, but is there such a thing as a guaranteed phantom, where player 1 stands at point A, and player 2 stands at point B, player 1 jabs/tilts, and is guaranteed to get a phantom hit?

EDIT: That's one hell of a run-on sentence, isn't it?

 

[-ACE-]

Probably against a crouching opponent, of some part of a standing opponent's body that isn't constantly moving. If you absolutely knew your pixels or where super good (like super-human good) at judging distance it's basically guaranteed I'd say. There's always a way to make a move phantom, but damn, that's difficult lol

 

[Dolla Pills]

Was thinking about this for rest punishes but realized it's not worth the work

 

[tauKhan]

If you absolutely knew your pixels or where super good (like super-human good) at judging distance it's basically guaranteed I'd say. There's always a way to make a move phantom, but damn, that's difficult lol

All sources I was able to find claim phantom hits happen when the distance from the hitbox whiffing is <0,01 Mm (melee distance units). If that's true, I don't think the camera ever zooms close enough during gameplay that phantom hit distances would be detectable at all. For example, the length of FD is about 171 Mm .

 

[-ACE-]

All sources I was able to find claim phantom hits happen when the distance from the hitbox whiffing is <0,01 Mm (melee distance units). If that's true, I don't think the camera ever zooms close enough during gameplay that phantom hit distances would be detectable at all. For example, the length of FD is about 171 Mm .

Doesn't surprise me

 

[Stride]

I found a setup which is controller-dependent but otherwise relatively consistent and practical to set up, though I can no longer replicate it since my controller has changed with wear.

After Marth up throws Fox at 50% after the hit, if you walk forwards for 7 frames such that you're in frame 7.53 of the walk animation at that point, a forward smash will phantom. Exactly how fast you walk depends on exactly how you hold the stick and what inputs the controller can register. At the time of testing, when holding it all the way my controller got a value of either 7.46 or 7.53 (more commonly 7.46), but now (a few months afterwards with it being used as my main controller) it can only get 7.46. I tried a bunch of other controllers in various states of wear just now, and all of them have only been able to get values of 7.46 too.

 

[iAmMatt]

I found a setup which is controller-dependent but otherwise consistent and practical to set up, though I can no longer replicate it since my controller has changed with wear.

After Marth up throws Fox at 50% after the hit, if you walk forwards for 7 frames such that you're in frame 7.53 of the walk animation at that point, a forward smash will phantom. Exactly how fast you walk depends on exactly how you hold the stick and what inputs the controller can register. At the time of testing, when holding it all the way my controller got a value of either 7.46 or 7.53 (more commonly 7.46), but now (a few months afterwards with it being used as my main controller) it can only get 7.46. I tried a bunch of other controllers in various states of wear just now, and all of them have only been able to get values of 7.46 too.

This sounds pretty complicated. How old was the controller that you were using before it stopped working?

 

[V_D_X]

I found a setup which is controller-dependent but otherwise relatively consistent and practical to set up, though I can no longer replicate it since my controller has changed with wear.

After Marth up throws Fox at 50% after the hit, if you walk forwards for 7 frames such that you're in frame 7.53 of the walk animation at that point, a forward smash will phantom. Exactly how fast you walk depends on exactly how you hold the stick and what inputs the controller can register. At the time of testing, when holding it all the way my controller got a value of either 7.46 or 7.53 (more commonly 7.46), but now (a few months afterwards with it being used as my main controller) it can only get 7.46. I tried a bunch of other controllers in various states of wear just now, and all of them have only been able to get values of 7.46 too.

That probably has to do with the controller not being able to hit (1.0000, 0) consistently. A lot of controllers don't let you hit max run speed because of that.


With regards to the main post, here's a setup for you: https://reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/4vc1dt/ssbm_consistent_phantom_hit_setup/