Hey i was just messing around with fox and I would sometimes (on accident) grab immediately after doing a shine. It wasnt a shine > wavedash > grab, it was just a shine cancel and grab right away. I also dont know how i did it or if people have already been doing this, I dont really play fox, but i thought that for campy players this would be perfect. If their shield was up you could shffl and attack, shine and then just grab them to uair or watever. The grab seemed to be quick enough to the point where the stun on their shield from the shine would definitely prevent the other player from grabbing you bac k or even rolling awayso whenever i did it it was a free grab for me. Once again, I dont know how I did this, but I was wondering if any one else can explain it or figure out how to do it. Or maybe its old news and not that good of a technique, in any case, plz lemme kno!