Good VS Exc (PJ64K)

[Zen Yore]

Seriously, I really don't see why 94.999999% of people on Kaillera go on good when they can just go on exc and enjoy the game with less delay!

wtf is wrong with people these days...

even excellent is fake smash, why even think of going on good connection...

 

[No Merci]

want to try playing i go on excellent and i cant find any other good players with decent connections.

 

[Peek~]

baaaaaaaw no one uses what I want

Remember that most people on kaillera just want to play. They aren't gonna be like "omgz i hav 2 play @ dis delay to winnnnnnnnz".
Seriously though just let people use whatever they want. We don't need more elitist***s

 

[NixxxoN]

You are wrong Zen Yore.

Playing with Exc doesnt necessarily mean less delay. You gotta have a very low ping to play on Exc. Otherwise, its better to go on Good. Exc means more packets per second, this means if you have not a small ping you gotta have bigger delay because the time between both peers would be too big.

 

[Zen Yore]

You are wrong Zen Yore.

Playing with Exc doesnt necessarily mean less delay. You gotta have a very low ping to play on Exc. Otherwise, its better to go on Good. Exc means more packets per second, this means if you have not a small ping you gotta have bigger delay because the time between both peers would be too big.

Exc = Low Ping Kaillera
P2P = High pings
Good = KB advantage.



And Peek, i know people just want to play, but what I'm saying, is why don't they just play on excellent instead of good.
Its like if you have a cake in front of you and crap on the floor, then ur mom says "what do you chose", obviously people will take cake, but on Kaillera, they decide to take the crap on the floor.

 

[MattNF]

I only play with exc. Anything else and ur dum.

 

[Superstar]

What Nixxon means is that, basically, this. I believe it goes like this:

The game asks for an input, and it gives some headway [the delay in connection]. If the time for the signal to be sent is longer than the alloted time, the game freezes until it gets the signal. On Excellent the time alloted is much less, so there is less delay. But if someone's connection is bad [like mine], there will be much more freezes, so the game will stutter more often.

I need a better ISP. One day...one day.

 

[The Boss of God]

Going by your logic, just use lan!

 

[NixxxoN]

Going by your logic, just use lan!

no lol.

It's a little hard to explain, but its basically this, on a connection of ie 75 of ping:

Good connection: Game's fast, no delay, but a lot of missing frames ... (60 to 100ms recommended)

Exc connection: Game's a little slower and has less missing frames, overall maybe is... worse. (15-60 ms recommended)

LAN connection: Game has all frames but runs so f**ing slow. (<15 ms recommended)

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

realize that the new emulinker servers determine a certain delay depending on your ping and connection

so basically 15ms LAN = 1-2 frames, 75ms = 5 frames
I think 49 and lower for exc is 3 frames, 75ish would be 7 frames
15ms on good = 5 frames, 50-66ms = 8 frames, anything above is just ridiculous

 

[NixxxoN]

The word LAN (for the ones who don't know) means Local Area Network
This kind of connection is made for people to play in a local inta-network, for example when you have several computers in your own house or at college or whatever. There is 0 ping between computers then.

 

[Superstar]

Well, actually, there is 1ms there.

I played vs my brother in P2P, using LAN.

 

[AlexBarry]

The word LAN (for the ones who don't know) means Local Area Network
This kind of connection is made for people to play in a local inta-network, for example when you have several computers in your own house or at college or whatever. There is 0 ping between computers then.

There is never 0 ping unless you play on one local machine, due to what's called attenuation.

INTRO TO NETWORKING COMP 360 FTW

 

[Surri-Sama]

There is never 0 ping unless you play on one local machine, due to what's called attenuation.

INTRO TO NETWORKING COMP 360 FTW

ohhh very technical mah buddie

but as far as LAN is concerned you would be 0ms (ms being the key), and then only for what Nixxxon is talking about (which is 100% different then what the OP is talking about >_<)

 

[Xelgand]

in my experience

Ping > (is more than) 75 ms? = Good
Ping < (is less than) 75 ms? = Excellent
Ping < (is less than) 15 ms? = LAN

More than 100 ms? you better play P2P

Edit: this is a matter of culture, back on Bs.As. server smashers got used to play on Excellent after we all told noobs to change to excellent, and if they didn't got kicked

After a couple of weeks only new people in the server played on good, but after they play some of the habitués started to use excellent.

 

[Surri-Sama]

in my experience

Ping > (is more than) 75 ms? = Good
Ping < (is less than) 75 ms? = Excellent
Ping < (is less than) 15 ms? = LAN

More than 100 ms? you better play P2P

Edit: this is a matter of culture, back on Bs.As. server smashers got used to play on Excellent after we all told noobs to change to excellent, and if they didn't got kicked

After a couple of weeks only new people in the server played on good, but after they play some of the habitués started to use excellent.

Ping really has nothing to do with your connection type.

Good = high delay (requires 20 keyframes of info per second)
Exc = Avarage delay(requires 30 keyframes of info per second)
Lan = Best delay for server based play(requires 60 keyframes of info per second)
p2p= best delay between two people. (Not sure what this requires, if anything)

Your ping will inscress your delay no matetr what setting you're on, and SuperBoom posted the info for ping/delay ratios

 

[NixxxoN]

Ping really has nothing to do with your connection type.

I think Xelgand said more or less the same I did. If you have a ping of 75 or more, you better play on good connection and if you have a ping close to 0, you can play on LAN.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I think Xelgand said more or less the same I did. If you have a ping of 75 or more, you better play on good connection and if you have a ping close to 0, you can play on LAN.

exactly and that doesnt make sence, i have 66 ping normaly on EGX and i can play on LAN just fine, i hate playing on good.

 

[NixxxoN]

exactly and that doesnt make sence, i have 66 ping normaly on EGX and i can play on LAN just fine, i hate playing on good.

it makes sense... Im surprised that you can play lan on this ping. The more ping you get the more difficult is to get low frame playing and in lan connection is supposed to reach the minimum even though maybe the server corrects it. If I play lan on a relatively high ping I always get loads of lag spikes and DS's. I understand that you hate playing in good but in this way you'll rarely get any lag spike or ds or whatever, the game always runs very smooth at the same speed (but a lot of frames missing of course)

 

[Surri-Sama]

it makes sense... Im surprised that you can play lan on this ping. The more ping you get the more difficult is to get low frame playing and in lan connection is supposed to reach the minimum even though maybe the server corrects it. If I play lan on a relatively high ping I always get loads of lag spikes and DS's. I understand that you hate playing in good but in this way you'll rarely get any lag spike or ds or whatever, the game always runs very smooth at the same speed (but a lot of frames missing of course)

that has to deal with your ISP, maybe your ISP can not support 60 keyframes per second?

 

[Superstar]

Well, if the ISP does not use fiber optics and relatively close by it won't. Or if the internet "speed" [it's not really speed but more of capacity] is to low to transmit it at that pace.

What I think is that as you pump up the connection type, you're trading delay for a lower framerate. If the ping is too high for the connection, then the framerate takes a small dip. However, I don't know how Kaillera does netcode so I basically don't know.

By what I say, each lag spike is when the delay exceeds the connection type.

 

[NixxxoN]

I use DSL (3mb speed) that goes through a normal telephone line using a filter. Sure, im pretty sure fiber optics is much better.
And yes download speed has nothing to do with it, the most important is the time it takes to reach the peer.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Well I'm on 11mbps so that might enplane everything ^^

 

[Superstar]

It does explain it for me when I have a download speed of 37Kb/s and traffic goes crap at night.

I'm faster than 56K [I have the slowest possible Broadband], yeah, but my download speeds are < 56K. Perhaps the 56K is a LIE, and Dialup actually much much less. I guess the speed they give you is not an applicable speed to these things.

**** I want your 11Mbps.

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Why would I go on ecx when 95% of the people on kaillera are on good? Tell me when 60+% are on exc then I'll go on it.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Why would I go on ecx when 95% of the people on kaillera are on good? Tell me when 60+% are on exc then I'll go on it.

Why would I go on exc when 95%...Tell me when 60+%

dun jump on the bandwagon

You should play EXC because it has less delay, simple.


And yes by my logic people SHOULD play LAN, but some people CAT so its a bit difficult, on the other hand most people CAN play EXC

 

[NixxxoN]

It does explain it for me when I have a download speed of 37Kb/s and traffic goes crap at night.

I'm faster than 56K [I have the slowest possible Broadband], yeah, but my download speeds are < 56K. Perhaps the 56K is a LIE, and Dialup actually much much less. I guess the speed they give you is not an applicable speed to these things.

**** I want your 11Mbps.

Notice that connections are named in BITS. 8 bits = 1 byte
Download speeds are represented in bytes per second.
56kbps modem = 5kbytes/s max speed
you reach 37kbytes/s so your connection should be 400-500 kbps.
I have 3 mbps and i reach more than 200kbytes/s of dl speed

And no connection reaches 100% of capacity, most of them only reach 70% or somewhere near it.

 

[Superstar]

Oh, that's good to know. Although 37KB/s is my max, it's usually 35KB/s.

Thanks, that's a lot more than 56kpbs so I feel a bit better.

My school can download 400KB/s, but it's unstable, which should be 400*8 = 3Mbps. But it jumps around from 200KB to 1MB so it's pretty unstable.

So my main home problem is not a bad DL speed but perhaps a bad upload speed or just a really crappy router setup [ISP's part].

 

[Superstar]

Oh, that's good to know. Although 37KB/s is my max, it's usually 35KB/s.

Thanks, that's a lot more than 56kpbs so I feel a bit better.

My school can download 400KB/s, but it's unstable, which should be 400*8 = 3Mbps. But it jumps around from 200KB to 1MB so it's pretty unstable.

 

[NixxxoN]

Well your download speed isnt so good either. Try to find a good connection if you can, i think its worth it.
Schools have usually huge connections, usually they have limited download speeds for each computer probably. Don't be surprised if they have 50 MB or more. Im sure that my university has more than 100 mb because they have hundreds of computers...

 

[marthmaster04]

Remember that most people on kaillera just want to play. They aren't gonna be like "omgz i hav 2 play @ dis delay to winnnnnnnnz".
Seriously though just let people use whatever they want. We don't need more elitist***s

Well its nice to be able to play without a button delay of say *press button*.... ...*action on screen* For those of us used to p2p, or who play regularly enough button delay is a huge concern.

The last tourney I entered on kaillera, I got screwed and had to drop out. Because the delay was so bad my characters actions were a quarter second slower than my presses, 8-10 ****in frames! And then I had to put up with the scrubs bragging. So nice, YEA LETS ALL PLAY ON GOOD =\

 

[Surri-Sama]

Well its nice to be able to play without a button delay of say *press button*.... ...*action on screen* For those of us used to p2p, or who play regularly enough button delay is a huge concern.

The last tourney I entered on kaillera, I got screwed and had to drop out. Because the delay was so bad my characters actions were a quarter second slower than my presses, 8-10 ****in frames! And then I had to put up with the scrubs bragging. So nice, YEA LETS ALL PLAY ON GOOD =\

me and BHLMRO agree with you, i know i can speak for him on this topic...or at least to reply..at this moment