Good counterpick stages for lucas??

[soccerdude7200]

Anyone know what are some good counterpick stages are for Lucas??
Help would be much appreciated.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

I usally counterpick battlefield, norfair, and brinstar. yes i know battlefield isnt a counterpick but its a great stage for lucas (in case you didnt know. lucas' up smash can sometimes reach to the middle platform if they are standing on it..i love catching people off gaurd ^_^)

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

norfair is the best counterpick IMO

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

if i had to choose between the three i would definately say norfair is my favorite

 

[dawgbowl]

norfair is the best counterpick IMO

though you may like brinstar... I'm not a fan.

 

[soccerdude7200]

THANKS.
Greatly appreciated =)
because I'm pretty sure that i'm going to a tournament in Gurnee, IL next weekend.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

on norfair you can zap jump over the lava wall and stall using psi magnet until the lava passes past you. this is a better option than fighting over the safety dome thingy.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

on norfair you can zap jump over the lava wall and stall using psi magnet until the lava passes past you. this is a better option than fighting over the safety dome thingy.

or you could just airdodge...

 

[soccerdude7200]

=]
helpful tips all around

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

or you could just airdodge...

but zap jump is more fun ^_^

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

but zap jump is more fun ^_^

lol
this is also true, though you take 1% for each second you are off-screen under 100%

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

lol
this is also true, though you take 1% for each second you are off-screen under 100%

PSSH...is a flesh wound

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

PSSH...is a flesh wound

lol i would say about 2% everytime lava comes adds up in the long run. idk take your choice either one will work. of course if you face say... mk, Rob Dedede, G&W, falco, marth, kirby, jiggz or any other high/multi jumping character, or character that can attack out of their up b you are vulnerable to attacks while stalling, and since you are already so high just a hit with nearly no knockback will kill you. airdodging is safer, zap jumping is more fun

 

[soccerdude7200]

I agree with pink fresh.
Zap jumping will get you killed easier.
but will air dodging really keep you away from the lava? Wouldn't the lava hit you right after your air dodge is done?

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

I agree with pink fresh.
Zap jumping will get you killed easier.
but will air dodging really keep you away from the lava? Wouldn't the lava hit you right after your air dodge is done?

depends on which lava you are talking about. with the lava that comes along with the little shuttle thing you can airdodge and not get hit by the lava, granted you have to practice the timing. or the "raining lava" from the back ground you could just move out of the way and airdodge just to be safe. any other lava that comes then yes, you will get hit if you just air dodge.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

meh you guys take this game too seriusly...have some fun with it XD

 

[soccerdude7200]

I was talking about the lava that comes in a big wave from behind.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

I was talking about the lava that comes in a big wave from behind.

I agree with pink fresh.
Zap jumping will get you killed easier.
but will air dodging really keep you away from the lava? Wouldn't the lava hit you right after your air dodge is done?

oh ya you can just airdodge and you'll be fine.
you won't get hit by the lava, though you may have to practice the timing. it's fairly easy, so a few mins and you should have it down.

 

[Tyr_03]

Brinstar is amazing for Lucas. Better than Norfair IMO.

 

[soccerdude7200]

oh ya you can just airdodge and you'll be fine.
you won't get hit by the lava, though you may have to practice the timing. it's fairly easy, so a few mins and you should have it down.

ok
thanks. i don't play on norfair enough.


And brinstar is also a good counter pick??
that's good to know.

 

[PhoenixAlpha]

Why exactly is Brinstar a good CP for Lucas?
I've been exploring my CP options w/ Lucas and
a majority of the folks out there say Norfair is the best.
I'm just not feeling the Norfair love! Plus, anyone that
I play bans it from our sets anyway.

 

[PK Freeze]

nonfair is the best stage 4 lu cas

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

nonfair is the best stage 4 lu cas

"nonfair" being the best for "lu cas" is subjectivity. that's not a fact. brinstar and norfair are both good. one could be the best for your playstyle, but not the best overall. at least in this case.

 

[soccerdude7200]

sweet!
what are some good tactics to use on brinstar and norfair?

 

[soccerdude7200]

sweet!
what are some good tactics to use on brinstar and norfair?

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

norfair- you can tether anywhere.
Recover easily. thunderslide off all of the platforms. use your most offensively unused pk attacks (Freeze and thunder). kill really easily. "platform mindgames" work well. can play a good hit and run/keep away game.
ask people that favor Brinstar what they like about it.

 

[Tyr_03]

Brinstar is great for perfect landings on both side platforms with a full hop. I mention it in my guide under movement. It basically means you can initiate any ground move immediately after a full hop because they're just the right height. The destructible terrain on both sides of the stage as well as in the center allow prolonged Dsmashes that can catch people offguard and can be used to edgeguard because it lasts long enough for people's invincibility frames to run out on the edges. Destructible terrain can be used to explode PK Fire hurting opponents standing on the platfrom. You can PKT2 through the bottom of the stage and lag cancel it for additional recovery options. You can zap jump through it as well. The destructible terrain on the edges slows down PKT2 allowing easier lag cancel. The platforms on the side help this too since you can land on them as well. Thundersliding leads to a thundercancel on the top to left platform for flashiness and mindgames. The sides are very short allowing extremely easy gimp kills for Lucas. Lucas's Nair's knockback does not change a lot based on percentage in comparison to other moves allowing very early kills on stages with close death zones like Brinstar. This stage is amazing for edgeguarding with Lucas and at the same time gives him more recovery options to keep him from being edgeguarded. Oh yeah and if you break the stage apart (which is really fun with ridiculously long lasting Dsmash) you can Bair or Dair spike people in the center. Dair spikes can happen a lot in the middle since it's so easy to hit with and since the broken stage doesn't have ledges you can get gimp kills this way as well. Lucas's vertical recovery is better than almost any character so if you get spiked you have a good chance of making it back while others might not.

Brinstar owns with Lucas.

 

[~Pink Fresh~]

norfair- you can tether anywhere.
Recover easily. thunderslide off all of the platforms. use your most offensively unused pk attacks (Freeze and thunder). kill really easily. "platform mindgames" work well. can play a good hit and run/keep away game.
ask people that favor Brinstar what they like about it.

vs.

Brinstar is great for perfect landings on both side platforms with a full hop. I mention it in my guide under movement. It basically means you can initiate any ground move immediately after a full hop because they're just the right height. The destructible terrain on both sides of the stage as well as in the center allow prolonged Dsmashes that can catch people offguard and can be used to edgeguard because it lasts long enough for people's invincibility frames to run out on the edges. Destructible terrain can be used to explode PK Fire hurting opponents standing on the platfrom. You can PKT2 through the bottom of the stage and lag cancel it for additional recovery options. You can zap jump through it as well. The destructible terrain on the edges slows down PKT2 allowing easier lag cancel. The platforms on the side help this too since you can land on them as well. Thundersliding leads to a thundercancel on the top to left platform for flashiness and mindgames. The sides are very short allowing extremely easy gimp kills for Lucas. Lucas's Nair's knockback does not change a lot based on percentage in comparison to other moves allowing very early kills on stages with close death zones like Brinstar. This stage is amazing for edgeguarding with Lucas and at the same time gives him more recovery options to keep him from being edgeguarded. Oh yeah and if you break the stage apart (which is really fun with ridiculously long lasting Dsmash) you can Bair or Dair spike people in the center. Dair spikes can happen a lot in the middle since it's so easy to hit with and since the broken stage doesn't have ledges you can get gimp kills this way as well. Lucas's vertical recovery is better than almost any character so if you get spiked you have a good chance of making it back while others might not.

Brinstar owns with Lucas.

and the winner is... Tyr_03 and Brinstar

 

[soccerdude7200]

thank you very much for the great tips.

 

[Tyr_03]

Rainbow Cruise can be a good counterpick too. Not sure how many tournaments allow it though.

 

[Chuee]

Definitely pick a stage with platforms. Like chaos said, its easy to catch your opponent off-guard using a Usmash when they're on a platform above you.

 

[Tyr_03]

^^^
lol yea if they're scrubs.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

Definitely pick a stage with platforms. Like chaos said, its easy to catch your opponent off-guard using a Usmash when they're on a platform above you.

ya notice i was talking about the middle platform of battlefield not just any platform. Most people ive fought against think they are high enough to get away from it but there are spots where the hit box of up smash willl hit them

 

[Tyr_03]

^^^
Most people you fight against are scrubs who need to learn how big Lucas's Usmash is.

 

[Saki Zatoichi]

Luigi's Mansion sounds good. D-Tilt and PK Fire would **** against a wall.

 

[ChaosTheoryX]

^^^
Most people you fight against are scrubs who need to learn how big Lucas's Usmash is.

hmmm the fact that you have never fought ANY of the people I play must mean that you know for a fact that they are scrubs. honestly dude stop trying to start stuff just because you think you know everything there is to know about lucas. the middle platform on battlefield is high enough that usmash doesnt always hit them, and it also depends on which way they are facing. just because you havent ever hit anybody there with an usmash doesnt mean the people i play against are scrubs XD

 

[soccerdude7200]

ya
ive only hit people on the middle platform on battlefield a few times.
it doesnt always work.

 

[soccerdude7200]

any other good counterpicks?
i like pictochat, but is it even that good for lucas??

 

[Tyr_03]

lol anyone who is willing to sit there for the ridiculous start up lag of Usmash on the top platform of battlefield, clueless that they can be hit, is a scrub. I have hit people on the top platform of battlefield...and they were scrubs.

Also this one feature is not close to enough to make battlefield a counterpick.

 

[Levitas]

The only times I've hit with a usmash recently was when I used it on a statue on the fire emblem level. It really stalls everything a LOT.