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Gauging interest for an online experience/level/rank system.

JosephZander

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So I've been reading through clubba's thread about ELO ranking system. I thought that it was pretty cool but being new to the competitive scene I figured it wouldn't really apply to me. I started keeping track of my wins and losses in an excel spreadsheet and I kept tweaking it and adding new features to it until I arrived at a nearly completed project. Basically all you do is enter your character, opponents character, how many stocks remain for each opponent after the match (The losing person obviously has 0 stocks remaining), and your opponents level (I've just been guessing what level my opponent has been) and click a button at which point that data is added to your match history. Your experience for each match is based on how many stocks you won or lost by, whether you won or lost, the difference in level of you and your competitor. Your experience is totaled and a level is given to you based on your experience. I can explain it more thoroughly if i get some people on board. I'm not trying to take away from the ELO ranking system. This will not rank you on a list with other people like clubba's. What this will do is give you an experience level for your social matches online or on console. I guess the best way to describe it is like the halo ranking system but it goes a little more in depth than just winning or losing and there is no cap on the level you can achieve. I've streamlined it down with macos and whatnot so all you do is type in your match info a click a button, if you make a mistake there's a delete last match button too. The info that is then given back is your Level, your total experience points, wins, losses, and win percentage but i would like to go as in depth as your character vs character statistics and improvement over time but only if people are interested.Each person would have their own spreadsheet too so they could look back at their match history and such. The cons are after each match you have to add your data to the sheet, it works on the honor system and you have to ask for your opponents level (which could be put in parentheses after your name on kaillera if people started using it). Let me know what you think or if you have any questions. I know I didn't go into much detail here but I figured if nobody likes the idea then I didn't waste a bunch of time with an incredibly long post.

I can email you the spreadsheet if you want, I don't know how else to get it out to people as of now...
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You just type your data into the orange row and hit add
 

Battlecow

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seems cool

Doesn't really apply to me though, all my serious matches are Elo-related and I don't wanna take friendly data

also I don't know how much stock count says about the match
 

MrMarbles

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i think its a pretty cool idea joseph. idk if it will catch on but i like it. my question is would u be able to look back at your match history from say a few months or even years back? that would be cool so u could see your improvement
 

JosephZander

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Yeah you could definitely look back, I was thinking of adding an automatic date kinda thing but I kinda forgot about doing it until now hahaha. I've just been using it as a way to keep track of my progress and see my improvement over time and what not plus I enjoy leveling up.

About stock count, I figured if someone the same skill level as you or lower beat you with 5 stocks remaining, it should have more weight than if someone 50 levels higher than you beat you with with 5 stocks remaining.
 

KnitePhox

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how about everyone just play a lot

leveling up etc seems neat if we can constantly get more new players to keep playing AND use this system.

i wana be optimistic about it, but i gotta be REALISTIC first
 

clubbadubba

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Leveling up is always awesome (play earthbound guys). Could be an interesting system, one drawback is that your level/experience is based on both how much you play and how well you play, so its slightly arbitrary what your level means. Player contributions would be amazing, but the problem is getting people to actually do it regularly. Like MATTS's thing a while back was cool, but no one takes the time to do it.
 

JosephZander

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Yeah that's a big issue, it originally started a system to keep track of my matches and show improvement and then I decided to add the leveling system for the hell of it. I then figured maybe it would be cool if other people used it too and made a post about it. I figured my odds weren't good for a successful rating system since you have to manually add data. Maybe if there was a way to export your post match info from the game and let it run in the background it would have more of a fighting chance. Oh well, I'll still be using it to keep a record of my games cuz It's fun to look back on.
 

LiteralGrill

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Gliko-2

Look it up, on this site there is an entire ranking program based around it that's a billion times better then the ELO system. Though I hear the search function on the site is messed up atm...

I used it for 1v1 ranking is PSASBR back when it was alive, the thing is amazing...
 

JosephZander

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Wow the gliko-2 rating system is pretty legit. If I had the computer skills, I would love to incorporate some sort of rating system into the ssb rom or something like that. I think that would be a feature that would draw in more of a crowd. I guess there's just no hope for anything sort of ranking system that you have to manually input results with the exception of clubba's. oh well. if anyone is interested in my excel spreadsheet to keep track of your match results let me know. I'm switching it up to basically just keep track of your wins and losses. I'm also adding a feature that automatically adds the date.
 

KoRoBeNiKi

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glicko is nice, a modified glico is used on chess.com among other sites, i could potentially ask them to send me a similar copy as i know a mod or 2
 

clubbadubba

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i've been thinking of switching over the elo ratings to glicko 2, just need time to do it.
 

bloodpeach

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Just curious. I like knowing where people are from :3

Very few people seem interested in developing any sort of infrastructure for SBB, so it's always nice to see a new face.
 

JosephZander

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Yeah I thought it would be interesting to see how you improved and "rank up" as you play more. I can understand why everyone who is really good at this game wouldn't really be interested but I thought it might be some sort of incentive for newer people like me to keep at it. I also love ranking up hahaha the thing I like most about it is the fact that you can go back through and look at all your matches. Sadly I have yet to be asked for a copy... Thought there would be a couple people might be interested enough to ask. Oh well.
 

MrMarbles

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Yeah I thought it would be interesting to see how you improved and "rank up" as you play more. I can understand why everyone who is really good at this game wouldn't really be interested but I thought it might be some sort of incentive for newer people like me to keep at it. I also love ranking up hahaha the thing I like most about it is the fact that you can go back through and look at all your matches. Sadly I have yet to be asked for a copy... Thought there would be a couple people might be interested enough to ask. Oh well.
i still think it was a good idea so props for coming up with that and introducing your idea even though it might not catch on. the first thing MOST new people come on for is to tell everyone how bad the tier list is and why luigi should be higher up so you are off to a good start lol
 

JosephZander

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I would love to have made it into some sort of application but the only programming that I'm fluent with is for ti-83 calculators... Hahaha
 
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