Gameplay speed

[Capt_Kong]

Going from playing a lot of Brawl to Project m, brawl is a really slow paced game most of the time. Is there any evidence showing the the new Smash game will be fast paced like Melee, and Project m. There is not very much gameplay footage, but i would like to see a more competitive smash game!

 

[Lozjam]

From the looks of it, you can perform attacks out of shield, faster than ever before. Also for aerial speed, it looks to be right in the middle. In between melee and brawl

 

[Renji64]

Looks can be deciving so far it looks faster than brawl but that isn't really saying much this game you will just have to wait for some more videos or legit impressions froms someone. I hope this game is fast paced and less campy than brawl i just want a fun smash game again.

 

[DaDavid]

There's enough to tell that it's definitely faster than Brawl, though of course more footage would be nice.

Either way, I believe there's already a topic discussing game speed.

 

[Sun & Moon]

Sakurai already said this game speed will be between Melee and Brawl.

 

[Capt_Kong]

Sakurai already said this game speed will be between Melee and Brawl.

Awesome! im hoping it stays that way!

 

[Dark Phazon]

There's enough to tell that it's definitely faster than Brawl, though of course more footage would be nice.

Either way, I believe there's already a topic discussing game speed.

Yh i hear you but tbh lets say melee speed is 10 and brawls is 5.

Sm4sh looks like a 6.5....still on the slow side...but aerial landing lag is alotttt less going by the megaman and mario video i dare say it really does look like built in L Cancel but yh that match was last year and i am aware stuff can change.

imo they just hsve to bring back the momentum from run and jump it is imo Essential.

 

[Renji64]

Yh i hear you but tbh lets say melee speed is 10 and brawls is 5.

Sm4sh looks like a 6.5....still on the slow side...but aerial landing lag is alotttt less going by the megaman and mario video i dare say it really does look like built in L Cancel but yh that match was last year and i am aware stuff can change.

imo they just hsve to bring back the momentum from run and jump it is imo Essential.

Maybe they can change it 7.5 hopefully.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Maybe they can change it 7.5 hopefully.

Yes but tbh seriously speed is momentum i can not stress how important it is to the gameplay that they bring it back i can settle for momentum 6.5 speed.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

The only problem with the speed of Brawl was that it was so much slower than Melee that to veterans it felt like playing in treacle.

More important than speed is timing. A fast pace may give the game a better feel, but if the timing isn't balanced you can't properly combo or punish, and that's the basis for good competition.

Personally, I always felt Melee seemed a bit too fast. I think a pace between Brawl and Melee sounds perfect, provided the frame timings allow for a competitive game.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Yes but tbh seriously speed is momentum i can not stress how important it is to the gameplay that they bring it back i can settle for momentum 6.5 speed.

I couldn't agree more.

When Sonic Runs and jumps he should be flying across the stage with an aerial, not have his aerial speed neutralized.

 

[DaDavid]

Yh i hear you but tbh lets say melee speed is 10 and brawls is 5.

Sm4sh looks like a 6.5....still on the slow side...but aerial landing lag is alotttt less going by the megaman and mario video i dare say it really does look like built in L Cancel but yh that match was last year and i am aware stuff can change.

imo they just hsve to bring back the momentum from run and jump it is imo Essential.

In my opinion the fact that it's perceptively noticeable is enough to suggests it's a bit higher than 6.5, but that's kinda the problem with arbitrary numbers right? What we mean by them will probably not match up.

At any rate, I agree with what (I think) you are saying in that certain mechanics are more important than just "make them move faster" in terms of what we mean by game speed. Landing lag, as you pointed out, appears to have been addressed, and the ability to act more quickly out of rolls will certainly go a long way towards making the game feel a lot quicker if you ask me. I'm sort of eh on the issue of momentum in that I agree it would make the game feel faster, obviously, but I'm not sure I would call it essential without experiencing all other potential changes as well.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Has anybody ever done a speed comparison between Melee and Brawl? Like, how long does it take Mario to run the length of Battlefield in each game? How long does it take each character to fall back from the apex of their jump in each game?

If you did that, you could work out a proper ratio.

 

[DaDavid]

Has anybody ever done a speed comparison between Melee and Brawl? Like, how long does it take Mario to run the length of Battlefield in each game? How long does it take each character to fall back from the apex of their jump in each game?

If you did that, you could work out a proper ratio.

Well a quick Google check just gave me a good number of "this is why Melee is better" type videos, but no legit practical comparison. Maybe more careful searching would result in some good stuff, but I haven't the time right now.

 

[Capt_Kong]

Has anybody ever done a speed comparison between Melee and Brawl? Like, how long does it take Mario to run the length of Battlefield in each game? How long does it take each character to fall back from the apex of their jump in each game?

If you did that, you could work out a proper ratio.

This is a really good point! Someone should try and figure it out!

 

[Scourge The Hedgehog]

Wish there was game play of E3 Brawl. It was nearly (if not) the speed of Melee. Of course it was eventually slowed down to the floaty moon like game we have. Due to this I'm not as worried this time around. The general feedback of Brawl was a clue for the Nintendo/Sakurai team to step back and look at what wasn't appealing. Not saying wrong because the game is fun from time to time and casuals love it. Still Sakurai obviously acknowledges this with him stating the game shall be in between Melee and Brawl.

If SSB4 is to captivate players it should have a happy medium. Melee is still holding strong in the eyes of the gaming world whereas Brawl kind of lost steam along the way. SSB4 should be the front runner for the MLG Circuit. Would be a downright shame to see Melee there (again hah) after the release. Just an opinion.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm thinking that Smash 4 will have a noticeable change from Brawl's speed and floaty-ness too. But it would likely try and be slower than Melee. Perhaps finding some kind of compromise between the two games will be for the best. Then again, I'm not a pro-player, so I can't really say how well that kind of speed will work. But Smash 4 seems noticeably faster than Brawl, that's for sure.

 

[Dark Phazon]

The only problem with the speed of Brawl was that it was so much slower than Melee that to veterans it felt like playing in treacle.

More important than speed is timing. A fast pace may give the game a better feel, but if the timing isn't balanced you can't properly combo or punish, and that's the basis for good competition.

Personally, I always felt Melee seemed a bit too fast. I think a pace between Brawl and Melee sounds perfect, provided the frame timings allow for a competitive game.

Yh i get that but you cant do anything without momentum......but i do agree with you.

 

[Ryan.]

Based on the footage we've seen so far, it is definitely much faster than Brawl, I think. That's good news for the competitive players. He said the speed would be between Melee and Brawl which most of us know, so I think it will be good for both competitive and casual players.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Based on the footage we've seen so far, it is definitely much faster than Brawl, I think. That's good news for the competitive players. He said the speed would be between Melee and Brawl which most of us know, so I think it will be good for both competitive and casual players.

Imo the speed increase will do little to nothing if they dont bring back momentum.

 

[Ryan.]

Hopefully they do. I think it would be nice if they had settings to turn things like momentum on and off and also increase or decrease game play speed, that way everyone is happy.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Momentum as an option would be awkward to implement, as it's something that should be natural to the flow of the game.

 

[Renji64]

Faster game=Good times.

 

[mimgrim]

Too be honest, speed isn't the problem and isn't as big as it gets made out to be.

Honestly. I bet Brawl would be better received if it didn't have Hitstun Cancel and had Momentum but kept it's current speed. I think, this is all speculation here, momentum was removed from Brawl because of the E3 demo it had, where momentum still existed and people who played it found alternative forms of Wavedashing/Wavelanding. And I'm pretty sure Hitstun Cancel was unintentional, but it still hurt the combo game of Brawl by making them only possibly at low percents.

To put it bluntly, Hitstun that isn't cancelable and Momentum are more important to the game then speed is.

 

[Big-Cat]

Has anybody ever done a speed comparison between Melee and Brawl? Like, how long does it take Mario to run the length of Battlefield in each game? How long does it take each character to fall back from the apex of their jump in each game?

If you did that, you could work out a proper ratio.

That wouldn't do much as what really determines the pace of the game is not so much that but the overall flow. One thing that makes Brawl slow, or at least seem like it, is how long it can take to kill someone.

 

[DaDavid]

That wouldn't do much as what really determines the pace of the game is not so much that but the overall flow. One thing that makes Brawl slow, or at least seem like it, is how long it can take to kill someone.

Exactly. Which is why things like faster acting out of rolls and less floatiness seems more important to me than just fast forwarding.