Fox Vids Please Critque

[TheBlackrose]

Any advice will help. im the red fox and i know i need to work on my DI and getting up game so other than that please say what ever advice comes to mind

JUst dont saY "YOU SUCK!"

Youtube-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItM1y11bThI

 

[neji32]

Pretty solid Fox. I woulda done some quick CGs if I was in the position. Also abusing t3h Lazor game wouldn't been too bad. No specific things I could point out, Nj.

 

[TheBlackrose]

yeah i saw opportunity to laser more also thnx tho!

 

[kerploplesteesh]

gimme something that isnt a fox ditto. ill be able to help you more.

 

[Ashtten]

I agree ^^^

Give me someone you could combo better than I could gauge your skills better.... you only proved that you can pull off a brawler style fairly well.

 

[TheBlackrose]

yeah i know what ur sayin...what about a marth?

 

[Ashtten]

yeah i know what ur sayin...what about a marth?

Want to see maybe a Marth, C.Falcon, and either a Peach or Falco

 

[TheBlackrose]

i think i can get a vid against a falcon today and put it up by 2morrow

 

[Ashtten]

cool please do and I will critique (SP?).

 

[kenny10]

If you play against Falcon, then maybe we could see how good your waveshining really is.

 

[TheBlackrose]

im not real big on waveshine but i can do it...tho is it easy or hard on falcon?

 

[Ashtten]

Not to sure about straight shinewaving but he is easy to shine combo with.

 

[TheBlackrose]

yeah that was what i was thinking and hes easy to shinespike

 

[SCOTU]

that vid is ridiculously difficult to tell who is who, i couldn't follow it well enough to rate it.

 

[xelad1]

I could follow the video pretty well. Anyway it seems like your techskill is almost all there but not completely so work on that obviously.

-Do easier setups for grab combos, I didn't see chain grabbing but if you can't do that a couple of upsmashes will work well too, (you seemed to get smarter by the end of the video and did this more).

-Cut out the unecessary flash, it looks like you picked up some bad habits from playing against a computer where youll do shffled aerials and dance around way to much when he respawns, or start a waveshine really far away from your opponent and try to waveshine up to him (you both did this).

-Wait for your opponent to make mistakes, you kind of just rush in there without waiting to see how your opponent reacts to things (like how he techs or rolls, stuff like that). Your attempts at mindgames are also easy to predict, you basically run around wavedash back like 2-3 times and run in with a nair or something, and that is your fakeout. Again I blame this on bad computer habits, but try and make a conscience effort to play smarter.

-You try to edgeguard with shinespikes way too much. Early on you got stage spike from your friends up B, if you are going to shinespike from the stage make sure you have ledge invincibility so you won't get hit like that, otherwise stick to bairs and d smashes on the stage, maybe you've been watching too much shined blind?

-If you can't think of things to do hang back and play defensive, spam short hopped lasers, fullhopped triple lasers, or short hopped double lasers (obviously not standing lasers). Make your opponent come to you don't go just running in and spamming attacks left and right hoping one will hit.

I hope this helped, it looked like you and that guy were about the same skill level which is good, but try and find someone who can absolutely destroy you because you will learn from your mistakes and become less predictable. Also play captain falcon he will make you a smarter player since he relies on techchasing and reading opponents so much.

 

[TheBlackrose]

alright i got all of that in mind....but shine blind?(thats harsh!)lol. ....it was a frienly and we were kinda messin around with the wave shine thing just to be funny....but ur also right about my whole setup thing it bassicly is the same so ill deff. work on that thnx!

 

[SCOTU]

yeah, note that only zelgadis is gifted enough to shine ppl's up b's w/o ledge invincibility (which he only did this in evolution if i'm not mistaken, in shined blind he used the edge every time). I hear he even messes it up semi-frequently. But he's still really good, just don't try to mimic his vids for normal play. those are just flashy highlights (same goes for my vid & every other combo vid, they're really mainly for entertainment).

 

[kenny10]

Shine spiking too much isn't really necessary. Maybe as much as once or twice during a match but no more than that. Otherwise, your opponent will find a way around your shine which may lead to you getting killed instead.

 

[SCOTU]

well, actually, there is no reason to limit your shinespiking to some solid number like 2, its more about predicting how your opponent is able to recover and edgegaurding intelligently. if the shine is the right option go for it. no reason not to. but it's about making intelligent decisions, like not doing drugs.

 

[TheBlackrose]

yeah i know what u mean, i guess i was just being full of my self and thought i could get the spike....Scotu i liked ur vids but i havent really watched them 2 learn and i try not to do so 4 any vid unless they are real matches.

 

[Foxman15]

If you want detailed advice, I suggest uploading a higher quality vid. A camera zoomed into a TV is not going to get you the best looking vids.

 

[TheBlackrose]

If you want detailed advice, I suggest uploading a higher quality vid. A camera zoomed into a TV is not going to get you the best looking vids.

well all my skilled friends are like on vacation so i cant record, and when i tried to record directly with a external dvd burner it made the game lag badly.

 

[Foxman15]

im not real big on waveshine but i can do it...tho is it easy or hard on falcon?

Difficulty wise he is in the middle. I actually quite recently got waveshining down to a point that I can do it consecutively in play. What I usually do against a falcon is waveshine once or twice, then move from the waveshine to a wavegrab.

 

[Sync99]

Against Falcon the only point of waveshining is to hit with one shine then grab/upsmash. Peach is barely realistic to waveshine in a normal, serious match, but the only high tier character I would recommend even trying it against. Against foxes and falcos shines are less useful, so try to pull an l-cancel into a grab before hastily shining. Against most others in high tier shines set up for better attacks, just not other shines.

Btw Scotu, Zel isn't the only Fox who can shine spike that way, but I agree it's reckless to just leap off the edge and shine a fox/falco without invincibility. Probably the most effective use of the shine i've seen in fox dittos/fox vs falco matches is the shine to wavedash to jab. When your opponent tries to recover from the grab upair or charge an upsmash, it works quite well against hasty players who don't tech the shine off the ground.

 

[Osi]

You missed 3 shines on the edge, 2 you went for a side kick instead when trying to edge guard. You did few up tilts, this move can do some nasty combos on any fast fall character. When he was far from the edge charging a side smash you could have pointed the fox fire towards the edge and done a shine+jump+shine up and gone to edge guard.

Adding in some odd combos you only use once in a while like a dash to shuffl drill waveshine then nair shuffle down tilt to bair shuffl would mess with his head a bit. There were a ton of shine shuffl combos, but I dont recal many down tilt to enter air combos. Adding variety if only one or two combos that are odd in a match can keep them guessing.

You had some nice shuffl combos though, so you def do not suck. A drillshine at like 1 min in was nice. You did seem to have issue following up the up throw sometimes. Mabey throw one down throw to up smash in per match just to mess with them? It's a pain to tech if you up throw a lot before it.



Peach- shine off the stage and fear the CC down A
Falco- Just sheild grab the side A and be careful of the illusion (his is a nasty spike)

 

[icefox]

Your Fox is pretty good. I believe that you need to stop wavedashing as much. I say this because in certain parts of the video, I saw chances for your fox to grab, or even smash, but you wavedashed instead. In the middle of the video, it got hard to tell who was who, so I have no comments for that part of the vid. The end got better though, and it looked like your fox was pretty good. You should try to incorporate dash dancing into your game play as well.

I say many opportunities where you could have used your lazer. You should learn to exploit these moments. Also, try to shield grab more. This way, when your apponent decides to attack you head on without thinking, you can easily do the usual uthrow to uair, or, if you feel like it, a dthrow to shield, then wavedash out of shield and smash, or jc grab.

I do not know enough about fox to tell you anymore than this (i have only been playing the game for a week or so). If I have said anything that may be wrong, I appologize in advance.