Forward-B Spike?

[Rejjae]

So I've noticed after watching vids and reading guides that Ganon's forward-B hits opponents downwards regadless of whether it's from the ground or air. From the ground, he puts them in a chokehold and makes that purple explosion then slams them into the ground, and from the air, he grabs them and takes them down with him, which is a suicide-KO if used off the edge.

What I want to know is if you use forward-B from the ground on an opponent whos just past the edge and he grabs them right at the end of the stage, does the move spike them since there's no ground for them to land on after they get hit by the purple explosion? It could be just like Fox's D-throw in melee that spikes if you're at the edge.

Can someone test this out for me?

 

[Josiah]

Well, if it still resembles its Melee counterpart at all, the move probably wouldn't be practical in that situation either way. Because if you miss, you'll more than likely just fall off to your death and look dumb at the same time. Now if it works, sure, it'd be friggin' awesome and mean, but to me it sounds like it wouldn't be worth the risk, even if you didn't go straight into fall animation off the edge like you would in Melee.

 

[DerpDerpDerp]

It does spike them down, I've done it twice in training. The only problem with that is spacing, which you're going to want to try to get down pat if you even want a chance at doing something that cool to someone. Not only that, they're more likely to grab the edge than get caught in that. Not only that, if you miss, it's like it was back in melee: you're screwed.

On a funny unrelated note, if you catch someone with it when there's no stage or platform under you, you'll fly straight down until you die.

 

[:034:]

Would you be able to spike people through the clouds on Skyworld with a ground forward-B though?

 

[RPK]

I propose you reconsider...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nag6sJC8S1Q

 

[Catmunnies]

Nice find! Can Ganon kill someone with his side b on any stage, or does the platform he's standing on have to be slightly sloped, like that umbrella, for it to work? Also, can Ganon do a side b off the stage, from a standing position, and catch the edge?

 

[WarZ]

Thats looks awsome cant wait to piss people off with it.

 

[:034:]

Nice find! Can Ganon kill someone with his side b on any stage, or does the platform he's standing on have to be slightly sloped, like that umbrella, for it to work? Also, can Ganon do a side b off the stage, from a standing position, and catch the edge?

Lurk moar.

 

[Josiah]

Also, can Ganon do a side b off the stage, from a standing position, and catch the edge?

...No (did you even read above), unless maybe it's across a gap and you happen to catch on another edge in front of you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5StoNu9C8
I think of this as a more satisfying use of forward-B. (Take that, you edge hogger!) Though I'm not sure how practical a tactic it is.

 

[triforceswordmaster]

it would be practical to use over b like that if you had a 1 stock advantage but with much higher percent, or if you were getting your *** kicked and wanted to even everything out.

nice vid by the way.

 

[Lanttu]

I did this to my friend once and killed him but after more testing I was left wondering if it really is true spike.

I used Fox as my little test animal and he was able to recover from it in less than a second. Damage didn't really matter since he recovered just as fast with 0% and 999%. Of course I might be doing it somehow wrong but in that case the spike effect is pretty **** hard to pull out. Also, like DerpDerpDerp said your opponent is likely to grab the edge if it can be grabbed (the one I tested with couldn't).

Also, can Ganon do a side b off the stage, from a standing position, and catch the edge?

Yes you can unless you stand at the very, very end of the platform while doing side B. I don't see a single reason why anyone would want to do it so close to the edge. Just press the analog towards the edge and you'll grab it, unless someone is hogging it of coure.

Poor Captain Falcon still dies if he misses and goes off the stage with his Raptor Boost.

 

[Rejjae]

A lot of you associate spikes with edgeguards. I'm thinking that instead of using it against a recovering opponent perhaps there's a way to combo into this near the edge, it would be a very efficient way of killing someone since the move seems to act the same at any damage.

Does anyone know how high up an opponent can be before Ganon's standing Forward-B doesn't catch them? If you could bring someone to a height above the edge where they can't grab the edge but they can still be caught, then this could become good for finishing as well as for tech-chasing.

 

[HiIH]

Lan, it's probably a meteor spike, which can be meteor cancelled.

 

[IrishSheikah]

NONONONONO!!!! Everyone knows his spike is the Mexican Truck (dair) which you can't escape from at most percentages. no one will be using ganon's b> to spike. It sounds hard to do!

GAAHRAAAOOOOOAAAHHH!

 

[triforceswordmaster]

its a suicide move, not a spike.

 

[Josiah]

NONONONONO!!!! Everyone knows his spike is the Mexican Truck (dair) which you can't escape from at most percentages. no one will be using ganon's b> to spike. It sounds hard to do!

GAAHRAAAOOOOOAAAHHH!

......

...You might consider Ritalin before posting on forums.

If you haven't noticed, we're trying to determine the practicality of the move in such situations, so rather than saying "no one will be using ganon's b> to spike", we'll be able to say with at least some degree of certainty that no one should use that move to spike. (Or who knows, maybe someone might discover something that may lead us to say that you could use it pretty effectively to spike <insert character here>.)

My guess (and it's merely a guess since I haven't played yet) is that it probably wouldn't work as intended with being able to auto-grab the edge now, unless maybe they're recovering from above (that is, they aren't trying to recover from below the stage) and some move puts them above the edge at just the right spot, but those instances will probably be rare.

But what about people edge hogging? I mean, if you're the one trying to recover and are probably screwed anyway, would this be a better alternative than constantly trying to get back until you finally get hit far enough to be KOed? Obviously it depends on how the fight's going, but I could see it as a way to level the playing field in some instances, as some have suggested.

 

[Kyune]

It's situational, I think. Although they seem to be fewer, there are still invulnerability frames when you grab the ledge meaning you'd most likely have to do it to punish a lazy edgehogger or if you're really good, someone who wants to chase and aerial KO you.

 

[IrishSheikah]

Ganoncide (?)

 

[triforceswordmaster]

yeah, its basically a move that says "F**K YOU!" to edgehoggers