FINAL D Meteor Smash TRICK

[Wren89]

Hey I'm actually a Lucario Main but I developed a new trick/mind game with Zamus.. cuz she's awesome. This can work miracles against people who try to edgeguard zamus. (Which is a problem because of her teather recovery) So this is what you do.

You hang on the edge and drop down. AFter that jump and Up B towards the stage so you don't just grab the ledge again. When you're under the opponent initiate the attack. Your attack will go through the ledge, hit your opponent and dunk them below you. Sure most players don't stay so close. But here is why this strategy works.

1. Who wouldn't rush forward to try and edge hog/chase after seeing zamus drop down the ledge? There is where they will get close to the ledge and you can suprise them with the dunk.

2. Another thing, that I haven't tested, but done couple of times. Its either a aerial B-Reversal or the slant under FD, I've initiated the attack as far away from FD as possible and moved towards the ledge in time to dunk them.

Now getting back to the stage gets a bit tricky. There are couple of ways.

1. Angle your joystick towards the wall under Final D during the whole attack and wall jump back onto the ledge. You can even mix it up if you miss the opponent. Wall jump and then Breverse your Down B and hit them. (They'll never expect it... the first time)

2. Easiest yet most risky- as soon as you finish the attack animation tilt your joystick back towards the ledge and up B. If timed correctly, you'll still be able to tether back onto the ledge.

3. Last resort- If you realized the first two isn't going to work. Try to DownB onto the wall which will automatically get you back onto the ledge since it initiates a wall jump!

Even if it doesn't dunk the opponent, this will still get you some damage while away from enemy fire. I've done is many times to computers but have not practiced on humans. Practice this and try it out for me. Maybe it'll help get a quick kill or two. =P

I'll add a video... sometime?

 

[Kyriel]

1. Angle your joystick towards the wall under Final D during the whole attack and wall jump back onto the ledge. You can even mix it up if you miss the opponent. Wall jump and then Breverse your Down B and hit them. (They'll never expect it... the first time)

What attack? Lets see, it's not her Up B, it's not her Down Air, and it's not her Down B because that's used to recover when you mess up apparently.

2. Easiest yet most risky- as soon as you finish the attack animation tilt your joystick back towards the ledge and up B. If timed correctly, you'll still be able to tether back onto the ledge.

Assuming they don't hit you in attempts to Meteor Cancel while you're dangling oh so gingerly. You don't get invincibility frames while you zip up to the ledge either.

3. Last resort- If you realized the first two isn't going to work. Try to DownB onto the wall which will automatically get you back onto the ledge.

You can only use the Down B once.

Works best against noobs who don't space themselves away from the ledge.

Works on people not worth my time? Fantastic.

I don't quite follow this, but from what I gather, you're saying to lose my invincibility frames so I can drop down from the ledge, use the Down B kick, and hope they go out of their way to get hit rather than just edgehog? Please tell me I'm getting this wrong.

 

[Wren89]

Yes you are wrong. You're getting a couple things wrong actually. I didn't specify though. You need to use UPB, Your dunking attack under your opponent. If you B reverse the attack so that the move brings your opponent to the ledge, he will shoot straight down. Of course it's fairly hard to do. Did you get that? And also, YES you have only one DownB. But if you down B into a wall, it will give you a second flip that automatically swings you to the ledge. Its hard to explain, I'll try to get a video up soon.

 

[Adapt]

I see what you are trying to do, but I don't really think it will work that well...

Most people will stand back from the ledge once you are on it. They are wary of ledgehopped aerials and other ledgeattacks.

This will also put them out of the effective range of this attack strategy. Its an interesting trick even if you just use it to slam them into the ground near the ledge. I use similar tactics on the fin of corneria a lot

 

[DeliciousCake]

Uh... you can't spike through the ground?

 

[Wren89]

lol obviously not. But there's been a couples times where I UPB- moving from under Final D towards edge. So the attack carries the opponent to the edge and dunks him.

 

[DeliciousCake]

They'd have to be complete noobs to stand that close to the edge. And nobody likes to play a noob.

 

[Wren89]

Yea I see that. But there has been times when they are a good distance away from the ledge. But I either did a Breversal or something and the attack would initiate where he is. And by the time the dunk happens, he's already near the edge. And Also, depending on the character, they do stay near the ledge in order to attack or some sort. Zamus, for example sometimes would try to use the paralyzer on the edge. Or even Lucario would use UpB all the way at the edge to guard with charging AS or the insane hitbox of his UpA. So obviously it's not spammable. But in the right time, it can do wonders.

 

[ashes]

I see what you are saying, but it is highly risky and not likely to work. It is not even worth the risk of getting the extra damage on the opponent. And also for the smash to work, I assume the oppenent would have to be very very near the ledge for the smash to lift the opponet of the edge slightly and then drag him away and down. It is harder than trying to do the same smash while standing at the very edge, when your opponent trys to get back on stage form over head. It rarely works. And I think your idea would be even more rare to land.

 

[Wren89]

YES. But just like any technique there is a right time to do it. Some players stand close to power-shield or try to chase. I mean depending on the character and player you never know. And if all else fails, it could be a mind game. Just seeing the whip go through the level.

All I know is I've done it successfully just today to a fairly good wolf. The initial hit box brought him up and towards the ledge and dunked him perfectly.

ALSO. (another time) because I dropped down the ledge, he rushed forward trying to edge hop. Then outta nowhere, the whip came and brought him down.

For the rest of the game he was afraid to stand close to the ledge in order to prevent it from happening. I'll admit its a ***** to time and practice. But if you can pull it off once, its worth it. I'm just bringing an idea out on the table. I'll try to get some video out later.

 

[Kyriel]

Oh okay, I see what you're saying now. That's a funny way to kill someone lol. This probably isn't going to work if your opponent knows how to DI, not to mention the UPB can be out prioritized, but either way, it's a free 15% tops at the risk of death.