Falco's shine problems/technicalities?

[Echo97]

Whenever i practice dair shines on the ground i can do them smoothly and usually without error; but for some reason whenever i'm playing someone and i try to dair shine them - let's say twice - after the first shine hits them, Falco freezes in his shine and i can't do another one. Is there something I'm missing or that i don't know about? I'm relatively new to the game and Falco isn't my main. Oh and I play claw if that's relevant.

 

[WondrousMoose]

Whenever i practice dair shines on the ground i can do them smoothly and usually without error; but for some reason whenever i'm playing someone and i try to dair shine them - let's say twice - after the first shine hits them, Falco freezes in his shine and i can't do another one. Is there something I'm missing or that i don't know about? I'm relatively new to the game and Falco isn't my main. Oh and I play claw if that's relevant.

When you hit your opponent, there's some amount of hitlag. Practicing without an opponent is risky because it can screw with your timing. I recommend practicing on a handicapped Bowser or a frozen opponent in 20xx.

 

[Echo97]

When you hit your opponent, there's some amount of hitlag. Practicing without an opponent is risky because it can screw with your timing. I recommend practicing on a handicapped Bowser or a frozen opponent in 20xx.

Ok thank you

 

[Efthimios]

If you turn around during your shine, you cannot act out of it simultaneously. When you see people getting "stuck in their shine," this is usually what is happening.

Some ways to fix this:
- Let the control stick go back to neutral before you input your jump
- Consciously complete your shine turnaround before you input your jump

 

[Audos]

Yeah, even shine has hitlag to it. Honestly you might just be a bit nervous, for me when I started I had a ton of trouble hitting small timing windows for a while until I was much more experienced. I'd also recommend the 20XX build for doing this.

On a side note shielding also has hitlag that is different from regular hits. There are more in depth threads about it, but in general you just have to experiment with the different timings. What I used to do is grab 2 controllers, load up a 1v1 in 20XX, turn on the infinite shields toggle (here's a tutorial on the toggles: https://youtu.be/1bAD5SCorwU?t=37s ) And then taping the trigger down for my second controller. Bam, shield pressure practice. You can't use the "get CPU to hold shield forever" on the latest version of 20XX btw, so if you want to use the exact method in the video you have to use an older version, 3.02. Also remember to tape the trigger down after you've started up 20XX, as taping it before will just make the game read that as the triggers neutral position lol.