Falco combo help

[MrMaples]

Hey guys, Recently I started playing falco and fox, (used to play CF when learning tech skill, still love this guy though)
My main problem is my combo game however. I find great difficulty in doing falcos shine combo. I also have some alright tech skill. (just need to get down the adv. tech and then perfect everything)

So lets take marth for example, I'll shine full hop dair, land wait for the uptilt, and usually i'll get hit by the marth player.
Most of my game seems to be landing one or two hits. (Sometimes the combos happens rarely a 0-death though)


My main goal with the char is to be able to 0-death consistently or at least 0-70%

so What should I keep in mind with falco while trying to combo so i wont get hit/miss

Edit: Also I feel like I spam a lot of tech while playing :s

 

[KingKirb]

I'm somewhat new also, but I can give some advice from what I've picked up. Maybe a better player can tell me if I'm correct. If some of this seems like common knowledge to you please forgive me because I don't know how much you know. Hopefully you'll pick something up from this.

Mostly start combos with launching enemies in the air.
Good combo starters are: Wavedash into shine, Dair into shine, SHFFL nair, down tilt (if you can land it), dash attack, upsmash, and throws.

Falco is a vertical combo character who kills horizontally. Luckily, most of his moves combo into each other.

Other small things I've noticed:
1) REMEMBER TO USE YOUR LASER! It has great hitstun, so you can follow up attacks well with it.
2) Be sure to master SHFFL! It will speed up your combos and let you get more done. A more technical player is a better player.
3) Mix it up with jab attacks and lasers. Small hits are good for setting up combos or making a combo last longer.
4) Learn to waveland, dash dance, and be tricky with your movement. If your enemy cant predict you, it will work out better for you.
5) You can jump out of shine right away if you jump in the first few frames of the shine.
6) Learn how to crouch cancel and jump cancel your smash attacks. You can also jump cancel your grab for increased range during a dash.


I hope I was helpful.

 

[MrMaples]

My tech skill is very solid I can hit 95/100 Lcancels with Sh I'm less consistant on my FH tech, but that's being worked on. Wavelands with falco aint perfect I still have to angle the stick a bit, getting perfect horizontal Wlands are silly hard. My problem is the conversions, I know I have the tech-skill to make any conversion, I just seem to flub it. I can even double shine on command. OOS is even an option. I'm just bored of DD'ing then converting 2 hits, and flubbing the combo. and then resuming the neutral game.

 

[hariooo]

in ur example u need to delay the dair as long as possible then get back on the ground as quickly as possible. marth shouldnt hit you

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

use light hits to combo like the Dr. PeePee fair light nair uair up tilt

 

[-Dubs]

use light hits to combo like the Dr. PeePee fair light nair uair up tilt

What he said. Light hits such as Fair, soft Nair/Bair, UpSmash, and UpTilt are great combo tools.
Not every combo involves Shines.

 

[Noscaj]

for pillaring marth u have to dj before u dair and prolong the dair as long as u can

 

[M2thearth]

for pillaring marth u have to dj before u dair and prolong the dair as long as u can

This.

You have to instant DJ and then Dair. This allows you to fast fall quicker and reach the ground before Marth and continue your combo. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

Skip to 5:19 on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_B_2TEHBA

 

[Noscaj]

This.

You have to instant DJ and then Dair. This allows you to fast fall quicker and reach the ground before Marth and continue your combo. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

Skip to 5:19 on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb_B_2TEHBA

yeah pretty much but that video doesnt make it clear thhat the marth can jump out on the way down at really low percents

 

[M2thearth]

yeah pretty much but that video doesnt make it clear thhat the marth can jump out on the way down at really low percents

Is that what happens at 9:09: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gFYbNuuxPA? The Marth already had 30% though. What did I do wrong here? Or did he smash DI the dair?

 

[Noscaj]

Is that what happens at 9:09: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gFYbNuuxPA? The Marth already had 30% though. What did I do wrong here? Or did he smash DI the dair?

i dont know the timing that well for fj pillaring but it looks like u may have daired a bit too early, might be a bbeter questipon in the falco discussion thread tho

 

[Oskurito]

For pillar combos, you have to delay your downair a little bit so that the marth can't escape the shine or uptilt follow up. If you do it too early marth can just jump out of it. If you delay your down air too much marth can hit you before you can hit him.

I think this is a very good example of what I'm trying to explain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoob08ssmvs&feature=youtu.be&t=1007
(16:47)