Ares.
Smash Journeyman
I've tried and tried, and can barley do it at all. Every attempt is a full shine animation, or a changed direction after shine.
Anytips on how to do this?
Anytips on how to do this?
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Facing <-- and shining --> without changing direction.
- Thread starter Ares.
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Slashed
Smash Cadet
What exactly do you mean? O_O
Explain a bit more and I can probably help you.
Explain a bit more and I can probably help you.
Red.
Smash Ace
do you mean like shine and turn the other direction or waveshine backwards?
Slashed
Smash Cadet
Red.
Smash Ace
I don't undertand why the original poster wasn't being specific.
Gea
Smash Master
He wants to shine one way and wavedash backwards, basically he is turning around in the shine because he is hitting the direction before jumping.
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
Sorry trying to play post thing.
Yea like gea said I want to face forward and wavedash back without changing direction.
Yea like gea said I want to face forward and wavedash back without changing direction.
Slashed
Smash Cadet
Ohhhh. That's a different story. You're hitting the control stick before you're jumping, causing you to shine-turn. You need to shine, then let control stick go back to neutral, then do a wavedash like normal. It's exactly like a backwards wavedash, except you need to have B pressed at the beginning. I usually waveshine with Y because it's such a short distance from B. My wavedash on the other hand, it typically done with X. >_>
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
I see i'll try this, ill come back with my progress.
Slashed
Smash Cadet
Can you do a forwards waveshine...?
Red.
Smash Ace
waveshining forward is easier then backwards IMO.
Slashed
Smash Cadet
Yeah, it is for me too. It's pretty weird, because normally, forward wavedashes and backwards wavedashes are about the same to perform, but when you do them out of a shine, backwards waveshines throw you off. =/
Red.
Smash Ace
yah, when I try doing it backwards I end up going forwards XD
Slashed
Smash Cadet
Well, I can do a backwards waveshine, but I don't do it as often as my forward waveshines.
Shffl'd dair > waveshine > waveshine >waveshine... = -1 stock. =D
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
i'm begging to get it.
They reason I want to learn how to waveshine without changing direction is, when I wave shine I only have the option to, A. Shine again, B. Grab , or C. Upsmash. But with Backwards wave shining which only limits to Shining again and up tilting is a very good way to add up points at low percentages without moving the opponent to far away from the ledge.
They reason I want to learn how to waveshine without changing direction is, when I wave shine I only have the option to, A. Shine again, B. Grab , or C. Upsmash. But with Backwards wave shining which only limits to Shining again and up tilting is a very good way to add up points at low percentages without moving the opponent to far away from the ledge.
Slashed
Smash Cadet
If you wanted to work with utilts, you should DI a shffl'd dair behind the opponent, and then either shine > backwards waveshine combo or utilt > uair > bair if the uair doesn't kill them.
Shffl'd dairs are much easier to do consistently than backwards waveshines. You also have to be VERY careful when using backwards waveshines in battle. If you mess one up and utilt anyway, you'll be facing the wrong way and they might be able to get you into a nasty combo.
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
Unpredictability is what im always after. The less predicable I am the better chance I have at winning. I think if theres other methods to do something, regardless of how hard it is, you should use it. ( in a cycle )
Slashed
Smash Cadet
Well, obviously you'd switch it up and throw in some mindgames. Backwards waveshines aren't too difficult, but there are other, more effective alternatives that won't leave you open because there's less of a chance of messing up.
Another fun use for the utilt is to edgeguard against Illusions from other spacies. =D Once you hear the "ping", wait like, a little bit and then utilt. They pop right into your foot and go into the air.
Another fun use for the utilt is to edgeguard against Illusions from other spacies. =D Once you hear the "ping", wait like, a little bit and then utilt. They pop right into your foot and go into the air.
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
Backwards waveshines aren't too difficult, but there are other, more effective alternatives that won't leave you open because there's less of a chance of messing up.
The only way around not being open is not messing up. I'll put in hours of dedication like I did before.
Again regardless of how hard something is, if there different methods use em,
it keeps you opponent guessing, which is always good. the less predicable you are, the better. or something along those lines.
The only way around not being open is not messing up. I'll put in hours of dedication like I did before.
Again regardless of how hard something is, if there different methods use em,
it keeps you opponent guessing, which is always good. the less predicable you are, the better. or something along those lines.
KrnMint_00v
Smash Cadet
I dunno how effective backwards waveshining to utilt really is. I mean, most of the characters either get pushed to far or fall from the shine. There's only a small majority that could be combo'd by a backwards waveshine into a utilt. Wouldn't it just be easier to turn around waveshine into a dash to w/e?
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
This is ment to be done at low percentages, also, even though theres a small majority who this can be used against theres no point in limiting yourself.
KrnMint_00v
Smash Cadet
Oh. So you want to use Utilt to continue the combo? So Shine>WD>Utilit>Uair/Upsmash.
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
so so, depends on the situation.
Also fox's backside shine is the strongest. Good at shinespiking.
( Or is that only in the air? )
Also fox's backside shine is the strongest. Good at shinespiking.
( Or is that only in the air? )
KrnMint_00v
Smash Cadet
Too much DI for the utilt to lead into any great combos. Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong.
You mean hitbox? I think the range of the shine is just a bit longer backwards.
Slashed
Smash Cadet
The hitbox for the shine is slightly larger in the back, yes. It doesn't matter too much on the ground.
Ares.
Smash Journeyman
Aha but still Shine > Back wavedash > FF ( as to not grab ledge ) > Shine spike.
seems about right.