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For someone thinking about maining peach? is there really any downsides to maining peach?
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There's no way Puff is harder for Peach than Fox. Everyone thinks it's impossible because of Armada but Armada just hates the matchup. As you said, Armada played it like twice and then gave up. He never really tried to learn the matchup properly. Fighting Puff can be very frustrating because you have to lame her out, and that's obviously not Armada's style, but if you do the matchup really isn't that bad. I'd argue that even Marth is harder if the matchup is played optimally. She can definitely handle all three though.Peach is definitely at the lower end of top tier, but she's completely viable. People like to complain about matchups, but she can handle any of the top tier matchups except maybe puff. Armada played the Puff matchup like twice 5 years ago and then gave up on it. The sets were close, too. Fox is hard too but doable.
There's no way Puff is harder for Peach than Fox. Everyone thinks it's impossible because of Armada but Armada just hates the matchup. As you said, Armada played it like twice and then gave up. He never really tried to learn the matchup properly. Fighting Puff can be very frustrating because you have to lame her out, and that's obviously not Armada's style, but if you do the matchup really isn't that bad. I'd argue that even Marth is harder if the matchup is played optimally. She can definitely handle all three though.
And so does every Peach.Everyone thinks it's impossible because of Armada but Armada just hates the matchup.
I made you a thing.Rest punishes seem under explored. This is something I'd really like to look into more.
What about bair?!?!?!
It smothers peach.
I don't think I'll ever believe it's a doable matchup but I'll contribute if I can.
You have a few options:
1) Watch their vertical spacing, and either fullhop above them or sneak under with a crouch-> DA/Usmash/nair/whatever is appropriate
2) Run away, pull turnips
3) Space really carefully, DA them as they fade back from you
Never go above Puff. EVER.
It's definitely a mixup- but what is Puff doing that you're crouch cancelling? Not much, I hope for their sake.Never say never- Justin Bieber
Pulling turnips is hard against anyone. Use your DD and Double Jump Lands to win that space.Pulling turnips is hard because Puff...
Not if you overuse it, I agree! It's a tight spacing- coming in directly after the bair- but it works quite well when you do it right. Practice doing it right, and it's not a problem.Dash attack as they fade away is not very smart.
With that attitude it is!It's a matchup meant to fail.
No, it's just you putting yourself in a bad situation. It's not a mix-up, it's failing to play the stage correctly.It's definitely a mixup
Pressing buttons when I'm at CC %. They have to know when press buttons or they are getting punished.but what is Puff doing that you're crouch cancelling?
I don't think you know how this matchup works.Pulling turnips is hard against anyone. Use your DD and Double Jump Lands to win that space.
Wow, a punish for fade-away back air ? You are the next Armada in the coming!Not if you overuse it, I agree! It's a tight spacing- coming in directly after the bair- but it works quite well when you do it right. Practice doing it right, and it's not a problem.
Why every account registered in 2014 is super hopeful in Peach potential and simply denies that she has bad properties. ?With that attitude it is!
such as "train dash attacking better XD" or "bair makes your entire body a hitbox lmao".
Props on the video dude. I find this matchup to be very hard and the player that beats me out of our state tournaments is a puff main. However, I also recognize I have not optimized my character and especially not in the matchup. If a Peach player cannot consistently punish rest then they can't complain IMOThank you, Retro. I'm trying to have a productive discussion here, I'm all I'm getting is salt.
MTL Kyle-- fite me irl if u tihnk ur so tuff
What's with the harshness? Can we not discuss this rationally?
This guy is certainly no slouch, I'll say that.1) If you are hitting puff with dair, the puff SUCKS
2) If you are pulling turnips at will, the puff SUCKS
MTL Kyle-- fite me irl if u tihnk ur so tuff
What's with the harshness? Can we not discuss this rationally?
Mary Poppins meets Descartes over there.With that attitude it is!
If you are theorycrafting, you are eliminating the human factor as much as possible so you can have a reasonable conclusion about how to proceed and what mistakes you should paying attention to.Some matchups might not be character-based but rather player based.
It's not productive to act like a dumbass and extend Dunning-Kruger to insane levels because you go 1-2 in your locals.It's also not productive to put down people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcpgzWQOF3o
Here's a video of me from when I had *Very* little matchup experience. Things I saw, in light of this discussion:
1) Dair->nair kill move
2) Pulling turnips at will
3) Safer getting back to stage than versus, say, Marth/Sheik
4) Shield vs. CC- perhaps Peach should drop shield more?? That would allow her to CC things as MTL Kyle is saying
5) LOL trying to shield grab bairs
6) Didn't get rested- this is what happens when Snex beats the dash attack on shield out of you.
Congratulations on playing a mediocre puff and still lose ?6) Didn't get rested- this is what happens when Snex beats the dash attack on shield out of you.
This is a good start, more testing would be needed against human opponents though. I know for certain that the turnip->up smash can be crouch canceled so the up smash doesn't connect.I made you a thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYFfl2JVJWE