Eventhubs? More like EventSCRUBS! Eventhub tier list hate page

[Jsteel3]

I'll be the first to admit I looked at Eventhub's tier list from time to time, trying to see what a general consensus was on about Smash 4 tiers, but each time I see it I see some of the dumbest choices (in my opinion) of character placements in the game. One example of this is that as of posting this Olimar is on their tier list the worst character in the game.

Now honestly can I blame their lack of smash knowledge to know that that meta is still in it's infancy so no one knows if a character will be the next SSBB Metaknight yet. I can also blame them jumping the gun on this because they only got into smash because melee was at EVO and they just hopped unto a banwagon, and now they want to the the 1st place to have THE definitive tier list!

The problem with having a tier list this early whether you agree with it or not is that it stifles the Meta, making people only want the top tier to win, the character pool becomes oversaturated with the same characters (which is a problem for people who only think that SSBM is just fox/falco and SSBB is just Metaknight), and we lose potentially game changing tech with characters that are considered "low tier" at this point. (An example of this is SSBB Olimar and Diddy kong, who were two characters not even considered good at the beginning of SSBB and now they are in the top 3 of almost everyone's tier list)

 

[ZigZagGamer]

Yeah Event Hubs is a pile of none sense with the casuals trying to decide what's fact.
Really alot of them only have opinion and pass it off as fact, trying to look on there in the early days for a general Idea isn't the worst but overall just stay away from that website in general if you hope to learn.

At this point in the games lifetime you cannot say anything solid about the tier list, we can give rough estimates like Character X is surely top 5 and character Y MIGHT be the best but none the less clearly top 5 however even stuff that seems super obvious may up being a character who is top 10 but not top 5..

Like ZSS is incredibly good no doubt and possibly top 5 but may end up just outside as the game grows.

 

[Jsteel3]

Yeah Event Hubs is a pile of none sense with the casuals trying to decide what's fact.
Really alot of them only have opinion and pass it off as fact, trying to look on there in the early days for a general Idea isn't the worst but overall just stay away from that website in general if you hope to learn.

At this point in the games lifetime you cannot say anything solid about the tier list, we can give rough estimates like Character X is surely top 5 and character Y MIGHT be the best but none the less clearly top 5 however even stuff that seems super obvious may up being a character who is top 10 but not top 5..

Like ZSS is incredibly good no doubt and possibly top 5 but may end up just outside as the game grows.

I agree the list seems to be a popularity contest or just a, "who I see all the time or lose against!" list
And the meta will be even harder to pin down if tournament legal customs become widely accepted.

 

[aethermaster]

Just look where Bowser is and you know this list is a joke. Top5 I might agree with with some movement and shuffling between them but anything below is just anyone's guess at this point.

 

[ZigZagGamer]

I agree the list seems to be a popularity contest or just a, "who I see all the time or lose against!" list
And the meta will be even harder to pin down if tournament legal customs become widely accepted.

Customs need to just stay away form tournaments, I know it adds to a game but I dislike when fighting games do this aswell because it harms the tournament scene if allowed but either way the tier list should not be about customs and what they can potentially create but the base characters themselves.

 

[Jsteel3]

Just look where Bowser is and you know this list is a joke. Top5 I might agree with with some movement and shuffling between them but anything below is just anyone's guess at this point.

The Bowser placement actually baffles me!
Same with Olimar!
And Falco (being so high! To where I believe he should be)

 

[CaP_Omega]

I think it is important to keep in mind that the main purpose of a tier list is to make clear which characters are most favored and which ones currently have the best outcomes, and that the changes that come with newly discovered strategies and swaying favors is just how a tier list develops. This allows for the meta to evolve, because the tier list serves as a historical sample. No one tier list is finalized instantaneously if it is to be finalized at its best.

 

[ZigZagGamer]

I think it is important to keep in mind that the main purpose of a tier list is to make clear which characters are most favored and which ones currently have the best outcomes, and that the changes that come with newly discovered strategies and swaying favors is just how a tier list develops. This allows for the meta to evolve, because the tier list serves as a historical sample. No one tier list is finalized instantaneously if it is to be finalized at its best.

It has nothing to do with favour, any FG tournament player clearly knows its soul purpose is to list in order how well a character plays as such.

So if you want a character that has the easiest time and easiest match ups (i.e the fewest bad ones) then you look at the top tier character. since when does favour have anything to do with Tiers.

A Tier is not just something popularity controls a Tier has and always will be another way of saying Rank.

 

[Jsteel3]

It has nothing to do with favour, any FG tournament player clearly knows its soul purpose is to list in order how well a character plays as such.

So if you want a character that has the easiest time and easiest match ups (i.e the fewest bad ones) then you look at the top tier character. since when does favour have anything to do with Tiers.

A Tier is not just something popularity controls a Tier has and always will be another way of saying Rank.

Maybe he is just saying in another way that the Eventhub's tier list is a popularity contest! HA!
....probably not

 

[ZigZagGamer]

Maybe he is just saying in another way that the Eventhub's tier list is a popularity contest! HA!
....probably not

I see his general point don't get me wrong, but when you start with "I think it is important to keep in mind that the main purpose of a tier list is to make clear which characters are most favored and which ones currently have the best outcomes,"
I'm like NOPE, you can't say it is about favour at all, EventHubs tier list clearly is, but not tier lists in general.

 

[CaP_Omega]

It has nothing to do with favour, any FG tournament player clearly knows its soul purpose is to list in order how well a character plays as such.

So if you want a character that has the easiest time and easiest match ups (i.e the fewest bad ones) then you look at the top tier character. since when does favour have anything to do with Tiers.

A Tier is not just something popularity controls a Tier has and always will be another way of saying Rank.

Favors are important because more popular characters are often the most studied, so this will usually result in high tier characters eventually being ranked lower. In the end, yes, the rank is what makes a character seen as good, but to see which character is truly the best requires study, and developing tier lists promote that study.

Maybe he is just saying in another way that the Eventhub's tier list is a popularity contest! HA!
....probably not

Thank's for being civil.

 

[ZigZagGamer]

Favors are important because more popular characters are often the most studied, so this will usually result in high tier characters eventually being ranked lower. In the end, yes, the rank is what makes a character seen as good, but to see which character is truly the best requires study, and developing tier lists promote that study.

Favour of a character does not decide the true tier of a character final.
Sooner or later a solid tier list will arise, If 100000 people play samus and 1000 play fox but fox is better doesn't mean Sammus is higher because more people played her or even looked into her.
All it proves is that your tier list was wrong originally and only an idiot would release a tier list this early into release.

 

[CaP_Omega]

Favour of a character does not decide the true tier of a character final.
Sooner or later a solid tier list will arise, If 100000 people play samus and 1000 play fox but fox is better doesn't mean Sammus is higher because more people played her or even looked into her.
All it proves is that your tier list was wrong originally and only an idiot would release a tier list this early into release.

. . . "In the end, yes, the rank is what makes a character seen as good, but to see which character is truly the best requires study, and developing tier lists promote that study."

 

[ZigZagGamer]

. . . "In the end, yes, the rank is what makes a character seen as good, but to see which character is truly the best requires study, and developing tier lists promote that study."

Time will show that not popularity.
There's always someone playing someone unique and sharing their thoughts.

 

[CaP_Omega]

Time will show that not popularity.
There's always someone playing someone unique and sharing their thoughts.

". . . developing tier lists will promote that study".

 

[IsmaR]

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