Edgeguarding Marth and Others

[cooperskat]

Anyone else think that the only way to beat marth is to go get him off stage every time? Also abusing fox when he tries to shine you by up b'ing and coin shining him is hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzykNnN7Has&feature=youtu.be Here's a few examples of what I'm talking about

 

[cooperskat]

Also does anyone have any really good examples of covering spacies' illusion to edge with fireballs. I feel like if you master that you could seriously mess fox/falco up offstage.

 

[LetsDuet]

Against Marth, Mario has SHFFL Up-air to Forward smash on stage, but for the most part from what I've found, yeah, an offstage/dropzone back air usually does the trick. I usually do that, or throw fireballs. Typically if the fireball catches them from out of a side B or their jump, it does the trick. Or you can just style on them with a cape when they Up-B. It's difficult for Marth to sweetspot properly on BF if they don't have the timing right. (Note: Cape does not work well at all on Marth on Yoshi's).
You can also edgeguard Marth with the Marth-Killer and punish the recovery with a Forward Smash (see A Rookie's video on this) or a Down-smash or Up-smash, depending on the percentage.

To cover spacies' illusion and you have them offstage, if they're recovering from above and want to get the platform ledgecancel or simply recover on side platform, a FH fireball from centre stage can catch them. (The fireball should bounce once on the platform, and then makes its way offstage) Make sure that you do it early so they drop down and get hit, preventing them from getting on side platform. If they do, then you have to punish and adjust accordingly. If they're recovering to the ledge, I find that fireball is a suboptimal option. A WD F-Tilt would be better, but if you wanna go for the fireball, then throw one on the ground, once again making sure it hits the stage once, and then punish with an off-stage backair.

I wish I could show you an example, but I have no way of recording and uploading it to here. Hope this helped dude.

 

[LetsDuet]

Oh one more thing, I personally found that you use F-Smash too often in the video sample that you showed. If spaced properly from their firefox, they can avoid the F Smash and then punish the laggy hit. I suggest going offstage, doing a down-ward angled F-tilt, or maybe downsmash. Just my opinion though. It did cover the options that the spacies went for in the video

 

[cooperskat]

Oh one more thing, I personally found that you use F-Smash too often in the video sample that you showed. If spaced properly from their firefox, they can avoid the F Smash and then punish the laggy hit. I suggest going offstage, doing a down-ward angled F-tilt, or maybe downsmash. Just my opinion though. It did cover the options that the spacies went for in the video

Yeah I've noticed that too going back and watching some of my old games. I think in the situations in the video I just wanted to be sure he wasn't coming back and I was pretty sure there was no way he was gonna mangle sweet spot from straight down. Thanks for the reply though man.