Dual Moveset Hacks?

[LeeYawshee]

So everyone knows about the sword Ganondorf hack that was worked on by Ashingda, right?

I said this on his thread but I wanted to get a wider view from people on what they think. What if characters like Falco and Ness had these too? Falco could have some of his Brawl moves (which I think would work fine in his Melee state), and Ness could have different ways to attack like a slingshot or block attacks with a teddy bear, maybe even shoot bottle rockets that Jeff made for him.

This is more of an idea than a request, who else would work well with a secondary moveset?

 

[Freduardo]

Look in your sig and no further for the easiest answer, Link could take out the Biggoron's sword or the megaton hammer and decide to use the cane of somaria or maybe a fire or ice rod? B Up with a Roc's Feather! The guy's got one of the largest arsenals in gaming. And never needs a backpack to store it all.

Kirby. Sword Kirby, Fire Kirby, Fighter Kirby, String Kirby, whatever, there are lots.

Charizard could mega-evolve? He already does in the fact someone made that alt costume.

Mario could put on a penguin, cat, and/or tanuki suit? Tanuki suit would be easier, give him some tail whip spins (Down smash) and an up b that goes higher and enters into a 'soaring' state, and a down b that is the exact same as Kirby's stone, just with a tanuki statue. Plus Mario 3d land makes the scarf on the tanuki suit so iconic.

Lucario as well could mega-evolve?

Pit: Kid Icarus Uprising gave him SO MANY weapons, guns, clubs, staffs, swords, bows. Pick what you like?

Bowser could use his minions more? Chucking Goombas and occasional Koopa Troopa (Like DeDeDe) Summoning a monty mole from below, Soaring to new heights in a paratroopa's grip. Pulling out a cannon under his arm and firing a bullet bill.

Vacuum Luigi?

I am not too happy to suggest it, but staff Fox. (And then he'd be different from Wolf and Falco!)

A quicker transform from samus to zero suit? You can do it by taunting, but it takes a while.

I like your Ness idea, mostly cause I thought Bottle Rockets were awesome Earthbound, and as I've unfortunately never played Mother 3 would have much rather had Pu, Jeff, or Paula playable than Lucas. Heck even Ninten (Or Nin? Early 8 bit Ness with a slightly different story)

….Rob could wear Power Gloves. Now you're playing with power!

Many of these would be OP compared to sword canon which I find is a rather fair trade of range for speed, but I really like the idea of these move set hacks.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

I am not too happy to suggest it, but staff Fox. (And then he'd be different from Wolf and Falco!)

I'm not going to start another Fox and Falco clone argument but if you are trying to tell me that Wolf is anything like Fox or Falco then you have obviously never played as him. The majority of his moves are completely new and all of his "cloned" moves have completely different purposes.

 

[Freduardo]

Honestly, Q, I agree with you. But I needed to rationalize referencing StarFox Adventures. It wasn't a bad game, it just didn't need Fox.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

That would be super cool. I duno if the PMBR will be into this idea, but i'd love to see it. There are a lot of characters that could have another set of moves that would suit them very nicely and make them more original. I feel like sakurai has a terrible imagination, or is lazy.

 

[LeeYawshee]

Look in your sig and no further for the easiest answer, Link could take out the Biggoron's sword or the megaton hammer and decide to use the cane of somaria or maybe a fire or ice rod? B Up with a Roc's Feather! The guy's got one of the largest arsenals in gaming. And never needs a backpack to store it all.
I believe Link's moveset is solid the way it is. Toon Link could have Bombchus and a Deku Leaf but other than that I think he's fine.

Kirby. Sword Kirby, Fire Kirby, Fighter Kirby, String Kirby, whatever, there are lots.
Kirby really doesn't need one either. He's fine

Charizard could mega-evolve? He already does in the fact someone made that alt costume.
That would be more down special than a taunt.

Mario could put on a penguin, cat, and/or tanuki suit? Tanuki suit would be easier, give him some tail whip spins (Down smash) and an up b that goes higher and enters into a 'soaring' state, and a down b that is the exact same as Kirby's stone, just with a tanuki statue. Plus Mario 3d land makes the scarf on the tanuki suit so iconic.
He could take out his hat and his eye would shine and his smashes are hammer based or something.

Lucario as well could mega-evolve?
Same as Char

Pit: Kid Icarus Uprising gave him SO MANY weapons, guns, clubs, staffs, swords, bows. Pick what you like?
Yes but Uprising came afterwards so he would be forced to stay the same.

Bowser could use his minions more? Chucking Goombas and occasional Koopa Troopa (Like DeDeDe) Summoning a monty mole from below, Soaring to new heights in a paratroopa's grip. Pulling out a cannon under his arm and firing a bullet bill.
I think he's fine.

Vacuum Luigi?
Naw.

I am not too happy to suggest it, but staff Fox. (And then he'd be different from Wolf and Falco!)
It's just a taunt change but Staff Fox could make a lot of sense.

A quicker transform from samus to zero suit? You can do it by taunting, but it takes a while.
I can agree to this.

I like your Ness idea, mostly cause I thought Bottle Rockets were awesome Earthbound, and as I've unfortunately never played Mother 3 would have much rather had Pu, Jeff, or Paula playable than Lucas. Heck even Ninten (Or Nin? Early 8 bit Ness with a slightly different story)
Play Mother 3, you'll change your mind about Lucas, he's actually a really good character, Brawl did however change his personality a bit due to it being a different universe (Smashverse)

….Rob could wear Power Gloves. Now you're playing with power!
I actually really like that idea. Sounds super silly and I'm not sure how it would be implemented though.

Many of these would be OP compared to sword canon which I find is a rather fair trade of range for speed, but I really like the idea of these move set hacks.

Responses in Bold and Red.

Edit: This thread isn't about decloning, it's about thinking of characters who would make good use of two movesets like how Samus had an Ice Beam

That would be super cool. I duno if the PMBR will be into this idea, but i'd love to see it. There are a lot of characters that could have another set of moves that would suit them very nicely and make them more original. I feel like sakurai has a terrible imagination, or is lazy.

Neither. The fact that he makes up moves means he has a GREAT imagination. The fact that he works his ass off on such an amazing game means he is the farthest thing from lazy.

In fact, by that logic then the PMBR is lazy for giving some characters similar moves to other characters (Fox and Falco are an example). But we all know they're not. And Sakurai created that game that the PMBR changed up so much. And even now they're having a hard time fix a lot of things because of how sturdy Brawl is. He's not lazy or unimaginative and don't you ever say so otherwise because it takes a big imagination to create everything Brawl was.

 

[Shiruzato]

LeeYawshee, I agree with almost all of your responses except for one: The argument against Pit's possible Uprising Moveset.
While, yes, Uprising came *after* Brawl... how is that in any way preventing him from getting a new moveset overhaul? You seemed perfectly complacent with the Mega Formes for the Pokémon characters, and the sixth generation is even more recent than Uprising, so why are you so against Pit obtaining a new moveset with inspiration from Kid Icarus: Uprising?

 

[LeeYawshee]

LeeYawshee, I agree with almost all of your responses except for one: The argument against Pit's possible Uprising Moveset.
While, yes, Uprising came *after* Brawl... how is that in any way preventing him from getting a new moveset overhaul? You seemed perfectly complacent with the Mega Formes for the Pokémon characters, and the sixth generation is even more recent than Uprising, so why are you so against Pit obtaining a new moveset with inspiration from Kid Icarus: Uprising?

I'm not against it at all, and I also said it would work better as a side special cause it's a full on form change instead of a simple taking out a weapon or doing a quick shine to change your style. Also Mega Evolving doesn't change moves so they would fight exactly the same, just be stronger which would cause obvious balancing issues. That I don't approve of at all. I do like the idea of Pit changing some of his moves to Uprising, I just don't see it happening because of SSB4Pit. I also want to note to everyone else who reads this thread that this isn't a request to PMBR or any hackers in general, it's an idea that maybe someday, somebody (even myself since I'm slowly learning how to Brawl hack) could just have fun with.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

Responses in Bold and Red.

Edit: This thread isn't about decloning, it's about thinking of characters who would make good use of two movesets like how Samus had an Ice Beam




Neither. The fact that he makes up moves means he has a GREAT imagination. The fact that he works his *** off on such an amazing game means he is the farthest thing from lazy.

In fact, by that logic then the PMBR is lazy for giving some characters similar moves to other characters (Fox and Falco are an example). But we all know they're not. And Sakurai created that game that the PMBR changed up so much. And even now they're having a hard time fix a lot of things because of how sturdy Brawl is. He's not lazy or unimaginative and don't you ever say so otherwise because it takes a big imagination to create everything Brawl was.

Well then my imagination is infinitely better than his cause I can think of much better move sets and I'd never add any clone characters unless they're characters that literally couldn't possibly have a different move set.

 

[Freduardo]

Implementing Rob with power gloves:

Make all punches slower but add a small 'explosion' hitbox. (Like Link's Bomb) With the exception of up and forward air's which do electricity instead.

Down Air has a similar aura to a spacer's up b, except as a downward punch with MASSIVE recovery time.

Down Smash is now punching the ground with a shockwave.

Forward B - Lose the reflect and make it a lot like Snake's old Bazooka special/PK Thunder. Rob fires off a controlled propelled power glove. This also makes him revert to normal Rob until he pulls out another power glove.

Punching after a grab causes knockback from the explosion and for the grab to be lost.

Down B - Same move except with a second Down B trigger where he hits a button on the glove, either to restart the spin of the top or make it explode or make 'pause' it's spin and be able to be picked up and thrown. I'm not sure. If someone really likes it, they can decide.

Neutral B - Manual Charge eye lasers instead of auto time charge them by pulling out an NES light gun. held in his power glove. (Cause now he has fingers)

Up B - Gain an aura closer to a Spacer's Up B.

Dash Attack - Similar to Diddy Kong's Flip with his new non claw like hands. More of a somersalt than a cartwheel.

Up Smash and neutral air thruster attacks remain the same.

Does this ruin combos for Rob? Oh yes. Make a slow character even slower. Also yes. But fun? Maybe, someone would have to make it to know, I'm just spitballing.

 

[LeeYawshee]

Well then my imagination is infinitely better than his cause I can think of much better move sets and I'd never add any clone characters unless they're characters that literally couldn't possibly have a different move set.

Congratulations, now go on and make a game as massive as Smash Brothers under a time limit, let me know how it works out for you.

Also, it doesn't take imagination to create moveset by taking things from a game, that's just taking and changing. It's true a clone character isn't imaginative at all, but like I said, time constraints meant something had to be sacrificed and prior to Melee, Ganondorf had one game with very few moves to go by. In fact if I remember correctly, Ganondorf had a electrical magic, a dark magic wave, and the triforce of power. Let's make a moveset from that, oh and we only have a few months to finish this game up guys. Would you rather make a sloppy character or a clone character? Even the PMBR said that similar moves aren't always a bad thing. And despite being a clone character, Ganondorf still was pretty spot on. His triforce of power gives him power, just like that. How he fights is how he chooses, and I guess he just choose to fight like someone who he thought was good at fighting with his body, Captain Falcon. Cause it'd be weird if he was a Mario clone.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

Congratulations, now go on and make a game as massive as Smash Brothers under a time limit, let me know how it works out for you.

Am I a whole team of Japanese programmers and developers being paid thousands of dollars to create a game? Last I checked, I'm not. If I was, I'd make the best game on the planet. I don't care for arguments saying its sooo hard to make a game. It's their job to do it and we're paying customers. Things should be flawless, and to expect any less is stupid. Anyway this isn't a brawl discussion, so if you care to we can discuss in private lol. Also, I don't particularly care about this argument, my point simply was that it would be great to see characters with alternative move sets since it is very easy to imagine what they could be.

As for Ganondorf, I wont get into that. I think everyone on these boards knows my stance on that, and its not gona ever change.

 

[Freduardo]

Responses in Bold and Red.

Edit: This thread isn't about decloning, it's about thinking of characters who would make good use of two movesets like how Samus had an Ice Beam




Neither. The fact that he makes up moves means he has a GREAT imagination. The fact that he works his *** off on such an amazing game means he is the farthest thing from lazy.

In fact, by that logic then the PMBR is lazy for giving some characters similar moves to other characters (Fox and Falco are an example). But we all know they're not. And Sakurai created that game that the PMBR changed up so much. And even now they're having a hard time fix a lot of things because of how sturdy Brawl is. He's not lazy or unimaginative and don't you ever say so otherwise because it takes a big imagination to create everything Brawl was.

Does Samus have some kind of ice beam in project M? How's that work? And if not, yeah, Samus with some of her many other guns as moves by changing suit even beyond just a zero suit samus change would be cool. Or maybe zero suit samus, uses something other than a laser whip? I don't know what she'd use and all I can imagine is her surfing on a metroid that's devouring the shriveled body of an ectoon, which is just not feasible.

Also, I'd like to add this one cause I like the idea of it and it'll never happen.

Wolf Link!