Don't complain about characters you don't use.

[TaurToph]

Dude, how can I say that.

I'm an Young Link fan.

I mained him in the first day I got melee and never mained anyone else.

And Zelda Majora's Mask is my favorite game ever.

So I, the Y.Link fan, say I WAS PRAYING to him to be Link's clone again. I mean, in 6 years i got used to his moveset as I'm used to walk. What would be of me if it was replaced? Just to make people that'll NEVER play as him happy?

Seriously, whats up with that ppl complaining about the moveset of characters they'll never even play? This is totally nonsense!
I applaud Sakurai for his decision...

And those are words from a Y.Link fan and mainer.

 

[DMAJohnson]

What about characters I can't use? Can I complain about those?

 

[MarthTrinity]

People complain that he's in period...if Young Link was going to be in Brawl, people wanted him to at least be original since many, MANY people dislike clones. While quite a few people (like yourself obviously) like clones and are pleased that they add variety to characters, others don't...so that's why people are complaining, not because of the moveset, but because Toon Link/Young Link is a character with a VERY similar moveset to an already existing one. Personally I don't mind clones...(cloned Final Smashes however...)

And I guess some people are complaining about the moveset considering how Toon Link has quite a few moves/items to go off of but none of those are used (Skull hammer, Deku Leaf, the Wind Waker itself...the Phantom Hourglass, Bombchus...)

 

[TaurToph]

Oh... well... if you can't use a character because there's other character that's like him so yea i think you can

Spoiler

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@Marth
So you're saying ppl think that Y.Link's inclusion as a clone is taking place of original characters like Ridley, as both would obviously consume the same development time?

 

[Kittah4]

People that complain about G-Dorf have some reason to. Lots of people are put off him because of his clonish nature, and after many years Brawl didn't change that.

Before you say "But thats good for his Melee mainers" it isn't. They'll have to relearn him from the ground up, even if his moves aren't from the ground up.

I'd say a LOT of genuine Ganondorf fans were off put by him not getting his own moves.

Also how about Toon Link fans? If you're a fan of WW, you know he could have had a deku leaf or a skull hammer or his hurricane slash for a grounded up b or any number of things to seperate himself from regular Link.

A lot of reasons things are as they are, and why people complain, is the lack of change makes them NOT want to main certian characters over others.

 

[Noypi_GjD]

Sorry, but I can complain. I'm a fan of Toon Link from Four Swords/Minish Cap/Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass and I was hoping so much that they could turn him into something different, because I knew that Sakurai could have thought of something to make his character a lot more unique and charming (I was hoping Deku leaf would have been an awesome B-up... all it would be is like Peach's just with a different animation and a gust of wind effect from the bottom...getting carried away.) I admit, Sakurai's team did a great job with his look and his stage but I'm so disappointed that he is 'just' a rip from the original link.

Edit: Now that I see it.... its not very difficult to implement some changes.
Skull Hammer - Take Ice Climber's FSmash, replace the hammer, add some delay, and some power, if you get into it I suppose a DK's headbutt effect happens, or causes anyone on the ground adjacent to him will have to suffer some DK's ground up flying effect/ or a stun.
(I like the multi-hit boomerang better, but Skull hammer was a good pick)

Hurricane Slash - Make it like Y.Link's multi-hit Bup from last game, but make it so you can move it when fully charged (add green light to sword) so it would act a bit like Ice Climber's forward special, with a finishing hit, he goes dizzy depending on how long you charge it. I suppose it would be charged like in Soul Calibur, but holding A.

They could have screwed the fighting alloy team (mixed characters movesets,) and mixed up the characters to form better clones. I wouldn't mind fighting just a shadow team that ere just skin'd characters.... So much potential.

 

[soviet prince]

I think clones should just stick to be alt custums

 

[TaurToph]

@Noypi_GjD
So ppl complain because they don't like bombs, boomerangs and bows, but prefer deku leafs and skull hammers? Well nice, but do they think about the ones that prefer bombs, boomerangs and bows before bashing Mr.Sakurai?

@Kittah
So you complain because you don't like bombs, boomerangs and bows, but prefer deku leafs and skull hammers? Well nice, but do you think about the ones that prefer bombs, boomerangs and bows before bashing Mr.Sakurai?

(yes this answer was a clone please don't complain)

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@soviet prince
Have you ever played Y.Link to think it's just like an alt costum?

 

[MarthTrinity]

I'll admit that I was a little disappointed that clones return, but I do understand that they tend to play differently then the character they share their moves with so it's not too bad.

Either way I'm happy for you that your main returns for Brawl ^^ (Mine did too; go Marth! ^^)

 

[Firestorm88]

I agree! I was hoping he'd be back in as a clone too and I got my wish. I'm pretty happy about it =D

 

[Noypi_GjD]

@Noypi_GjD
So ppl complain because they don't like bombs, boomerangs and bows, but prefer deku leafs and skull hammers? Well nice, but do they think about the ones that prefer bombs, boomerangs and bows before bashing Mr.Sakurai?

Um... I guess those who like Bombs, Boomerangs, and Bows would move unto Link and give the potential move set to a character that deserves it. However, that is what I believe the majority of people would agree.

 

[El Cancel]

good point, man.

toon link > ylink. right on. i am also from maine.

 

[mista_mista]

I would be more likely to main a character if they had their own moveset. I mained Ganon in melee but I'm kinda disappointed he didn't get his own moveset. A new moveset opens up more choices and more diversity.

 

[TaurToph]

Um... I guess those who like Bombs, Boomerangs, and Bows would move unto Link and give the potential move set to a character that deserves it. However, that is what I believe the majority of people would agree.

I don't think "those people" would like much that idea, almostly because Link's gameplay is totally different from Y.Link's gameplay despite the fact they're clone, or maybe they just don't like adult Link.
And I say that because I'm one of "those people".

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@mista_mista
So if C.Falcon wasn't in the game you'd have nothing to complain about your main, even if he'd be just the same?

 

[Kittah4]

@Noypi_GjD
@Kittah
So you complain because you don't like bombs, boomerangs and bows, but prefer deku leafs and skull hammers? Well nice, but do you think about the ones that prefer bombs, boomerangs and bows before bashing Mr.Sakurai?

People who perfer bombs, boomerangs, and bows can use the regular Link. Fans of Toon Link KNOW that a lot of creative items were given him in the entirety of all of his games. The fact that Toon Link is basically just a reskinned Young Link tweaked is kind of unusual to a lot of Toon Link fans, I'd wager.

His FS being a clone instead of a flood or cyclone summoned by the Wind Waker just shows how the fans know how to be creative and how another opportunity for disctinction was missed.

 

[veil222]

Nope... I'm a young link main, and I would NOT play Link if he got taken away. Know why? Young links projectiles work so much differently than links that my entire style of playing him revolves around those differences. I would rather learn an ENTIRELY NEW character than play Link in young links absence.

 

[TaurToph]

@Kittah
I don't think "those people" would like much that idea, almostly because Link's gameplay is totally different from Y.Link's gameplay despite the fact they're clone, or maybe they just don't like adult Link.
And I say that because I'm one of "those people".

Another clone answer for you, sorry, but that's exactly what my answer would be if the other answer wasn't in topic.

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Nope... I'm a young link main, and I would NOT play Link if he got taken away. Know why? Young links projectiles work so much differently than links that my entire style of playing him revolves around those differences. I would rather learn an ENTIRELY NEW character than play Link in young links absence.

Seconded.
Or it was you that seconded me?
Oh well how can someone say who seconded who if we're both from different places and histories anyways?

 

[Kittah4]

Nope... I'm a young link main, and I would NOT play Link if he got taken away. Know why? Young links projectiles work so much differently than links that my entire style of playing him revolves around those differences. I would rather learn an ENTIRELY NEW character than play Link in young links absence.

Young Link did get taken away. He was replaced with Toon Link. And there will be differences on how they work even if they're exact clones of each other, just because of Brawls engine differences over Melee.

So you have to learn a brand new character anyway, only with the diclaimer that all of his moves are completely the same as ANOTHER character despite a creative team being in the works on these guys for over 2 years.

 

[veil222]

It's not like learning a new character, it's like learning a new ENGINE. This is like using an m4a1 in cs 1.6 and using one in source. Not using an m4a1 in cs1.6 then using an ak47 in source. It's still going to be really familiar, and I would have to make much less adjustments than trying to learn link. It's the same character in a new engine with the same tweaks everyone else got.

 

[Noypi_GjD]

I don't think "those people" would like much that idea, almostly because Link's gameplay is totally different from Y.Link's gameplay despite the fact they're clone, or maybe they just don't like adult Link.
And I say that because I'm one of "those people".

A pure Toon Link that was built from the ground up would deviate in gameplay from Link so much more than a simple clone of Link.

 

[veil222]

....Which is why y. link mains wouldn't want a more different wind waker (toon sounds *really* dumb to me ><) link.

 

[TaurToph]

A pure Toon Link that was built from the ground up would deviate in gameplay from Link so much more than a simple clone of Link.

So those ppl that just want a new character with deku leafs and skull hammers have priority over those who already mained him for 6 or so years and want him back the wey he is?

....Which is why y. link mains wouldn't want a more different wind waker (toon sounds *really* dumb to me ><) link.

I'm seconding you again.

 

[Kittah4]

So those ppl that just want a new character with deku leafs and skull hammers have priority over those who already mained him for 6 or so years and want him back the wey he is?


I'm seconding you again.

So you're arguing that people who want to see change and innovation among characters are the enemy? That WE'RE the selfish ones?

Its logic like yours that leads to rehashed, safe sequels like the kind of crud EA squirts out. If Toon Link is going to be different than Young Link anyway (he is), what do you have to gain by his moves looking exactly the same?

Its not innovative or creative, which is what the industry needs.

 

[Firestorm88]

Um... I guess those who like Bombs, Boomerangs, and Bows would move unto Link and give the potential move set to a character that deserves it. However, that is what I believe the majority of people would agree.

Link does not play the same as Young Link. At all. Not even close.

 

[TaurToph]

So you just disapoint the old Y.Link fans to get new ones? Isn't it like changing six for half dozen, but making the six that was with you before sad?

 

[Dogenzaka]

So I, the Y.Link fan, say I WAS PRAYING to him to be Link's clone again. I mean, in 6 years i got used to his moveset as I'm used to walk. What would be of me if it was replaced? Just to make people that'll NEVER play as him happy?

Seriously, whats up with that ppl complaining about the moveset of characters they'll never even play? This is totally nonsense!

Maybe if they changed his moveset, people would play as him.

 

[Rhubarbo]

When I was asking for Toon Link, I was asking for a character which could wield weapons that are unique to Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. What I got was the name and look, not the character I desired. But, I do appreciate the look, so instead of playing Link, I'll probably play Toon Link...

GOD THINKING ABOUT THIS MAKES ME PISSED! THIS IS WHY I'M SLIGHTLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE FINAL ROSTER!

 

[Rhubarbo]

If you mained Y.Link in Melee, you should just have to adapt to another Link. Is it fair to those people that stareted appreciating Zelda with Wind Waker (me) or Phantom Hourlgass that now are getting into Brawl? No!

 

[Noypi_GjD]

Link does not play the same as Young Link. At all. Not even close.

Did I say they play the same?

So those ppl that just want a new character with deku leafs and skull hammers have priority over those who already mained him for 6 or so years and want him back the wey he is?

That's a good question. Is a clone better than a character built from the ground up? I mean we could have had Ike be a Roy clone because he did have a fan base and totally placed differently from Marth. It's terribly unfair for people who mained him for six years? And who claims that that Toon Link plays exactly the way Y.Link was supposed to be played.

 

[Gojithefox]

Oh please... this argument is pointless. People will play characters that suit them. A person who likes Young Link will probably *not* switch to Link because of how the two characters feel. I, personally, find Link a bit too clunky and prefer his counterpart's spryness. If if Young Link were to be my main character and he was taken away, I would probably not go to Link. I would probably find another fast, spry character that matches my playing style.

What people need to learn is that, regardless of the nature of a character's moves, its how that character moves and behaves that is the key. Fox is a great character, but I can't use him well because he doesn't suit my playing style. I do best with Marth and Pikachu for that very reason, and I was decent with Pichu as well, though I preferred Pikachu's greater range. I don't do well with characters like Link or Gannondorf because they're just too clunky for me.

EDIT: The worst part of this debate is that the adjustments to Young Link's moveset are merely rips of other characters moves. I'll reference the Deku Leaf that was mentioned. Peach's U+B with a different animation, was it? Would that really be so much better? Are you upset that Ike's U+B is almost an exact replica of Kirby's from appearance?

 

[TaurToph]

Oh please... this argument is pointless. People will play characters that suit them. A person who likes Young Link will probably *not* switch to Link because of how the two characters feel. I, personally, find Link a bit too clunky and prefer his counterpart's spryness. If if Young Link were to be my main character and he was taken away, I would probably not go to Link. I would probably find another fast, spry character that matches my playing style.

What people need to learn is that, regardless of the nature of a character's moves, its how that character moves and behaves that is the key. Fox is a great character, but I can't use him well because he doesn't suit my playing style. I do best with Marth and Pikachu for that very reason, and I was decent with Pichu as well, though I preferred Pikachu's greater range. I don't do well with characters like Link or Gannondorf because they're just too clunky for me.

EDIT: The worst part of this debate is that the adjustments to Young Link's moveset are merely rips of other characters moves. I'll reference the Deku Leaf that was mentioned. Peach's U+B with a different animation, was it? Would that really be so much better? Are you upset that Ike's U+B is almost an exact replica of Kirby's from appearance?

Perfect, I totally second what Gojithefox said.

Yet another clonish post from my part, oh well.

 

[TaurToph]

Bumping the thread to spread my words.
Though there's not much anymore to say so it's likely dying again.
Maybe we can discuss about something cool to keep it alive.

I KNOW!

Who likes Y.Link signs now! \o\
Yea this thread will go far.