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Does censoring only make things worse?

espio87

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Recently there has been a lot of controversy in my country because of one part of a Simpsons' episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OTayq0adg
The current goverment is Peronist so that's why they decided to censorship that episode. But their plan backfired because a lot of Argentinians watched that piece of the episode on youtube and other sites. What makes things worse is that the comment about Perón is only 2 seconds long. After I watched that part I said to myself "Is THIS what they wanted to censor? Man, that was a stupid decision!".
This was the first job of the "Media Observatory" my President created. She created because she said that the press and other media is only against her and they are uninformed.

Now, here's the big question: Does censoring something only makes things worse?
In my opinion it does because it tempts people to find out about what was censored.
 

Dr. James Rustles

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It may be the wrong place to bring this up.

Given all of this information, I think your president is paranoid. I think it was a dictator-like move, as dictators try to censor anything that can be perceived as negative of the state they rule. She may be aiming for too much power. Watch out.

Yes, censoring can make things worse. I don't know enough examples to say otherwise.
 

Reyairia

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I think it was a dictator-like move, as dictators try to censor anything that can be perceived as negative of the state they rule. She may be aiming for too much power. Watch out.
Indeed. It is a really bad sign, y'know? :ohwell:
 

Dr. James Rustles

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This may all be horribly wrong (using wikipedia).

Argentina has a population of roughly 40 million. Let's say 1% of the population watch The Simpsons. That's about 400,000 people. The youtube video has about 70,000 views. Not a very big backlash in my opinion.

Still, I think it's a wrong move on your President's part. Does she have a history of this? How long has she been in power?
 

espio87

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This may all be horribly wrong (using wikipedia).

Argentina has a population of roughly 40 million. Let's say 1% of the population watch The Simpsons. That's about 400,000 people. The youtube video has about 70,000 views. Not a very big backlash in my opinion.

Still, I think it's a wrong move on your President's part. Does she have a history of this? How long has she been in power?
Well, The Simpsons here is very popular. Every friend I have watch them at least once a week. and you didn't count that the video I posted above is just one, but if you try to search "the simpsons peron" you'll get a lot of videos of that segment.
Cristina Kirschner became president in december of the last year. And she didn't censor it because she's paranoid, it's because she's Peronist (truth to be told, it looks like she wants to be the next Evita but she's turning out to be the next Isabelita). Peronists have a history of not taking well critics, but I'd better not talk about it because I would to explain you what happened in the latest 50 years of Argentinian history and that wouldn't be pleasant. If you insist I will explain it;)
 

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Now, here's the big question: Does censoring something only makes things worse?
In my opinion it does because it tempts people to find out about what was censored.
Definetly. There's some games I'd never play but I've looked up a lot on to see what was censored from them.
 

espio87

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I would like to hear the situation.
Ok, here it goes:
In 1945, a military group known as GOU, which favoured the Axis, did a coup d'etat overthrowing the current goverment. A deep admirer of Musolinni, Juan Domingo Perón, was among them.
When the group divided the power Perón took the Minister of Work. There he saw the great number of injustices that the workers had to deal with. He started making some fixes but then the rest of the military feared that he might adquire too much power and imprisoned him.
The workers weren't happy with this so they made a huge protest in the Plaza de Mayo (May Square, which is in front of the "Casa Rosada" which is the home of the Executive Power). Pressured by this, the GOU released Perón and organized the next elections. Perón launched his candidature for the presidency and he won with a great majority.
During his time, he met María Eva Duarte who would later become his wife and would play a major role in the Argentinian history. While the global powers were recovering from World War 2 Perón took advantage of the situation and nationalized all the British companies like the railways. Eva Perón was also gathering power and carisma by, for example, allowing women to vote, etc. The syndicates also gathered much power and became and became a force that convinced people to not to go on strike while Perón was in charge.
As for rest for the political parties: they feared Perón would stay in power forever so all of them (Left, Centre, Right) were preparing for a coup d'etat.
In the elections of the '52 Perón and Evita won the presidency and the vice-presidency respectively. But Evita didn't manage to stay in power for too long because she had Cancer of uterus and died shortly after.
The rest of the political parties knew Perón would not be able to make a stand without Evita so they launched the coup in 1955 which was the closest thing we had to a Civil War. After an air bombing in Plaza de Mayo and some combats with the rest of the armed forces and fearing for his life, Perón was forced to leave the country and went to Spain.
In the meantime in Argentina, the Justicialist Party (the formal name for the Peronism) was banned in the elections and the presidents that were elected (Arturo Frondizi, José María Guido and Arturo Umber Illia) were overthrown by more coups *cough*because the presidents wanted to review the oil contracts they had with the USA*cough*
To make matters worse, the youth that lived during the time of Perón and had comunist ideals formed guerrillas groups that Perón as some kind of Lenin (which is the most stupid thing anyone could ever think).
After the dictators Juan Carlos Onganía, Roberto Levingston (funny fact: he was named president of Argentina while he was attending some meetings in the US, but he only found out after being removed from the presidency), the general Alejandro Agustín Lanusse knew that banning the Peronism would make things worse, so after his presidency the country would go to elections and be allowed to vote for Perón. But Perón has been vetoed in those elections, so his righthand man Roberto Cámpora postulated himself as president. His campaign slogan "Cámpora to the goverment, Perón to the power" clearly indicated Perón's plans. Once Cámpora won he inmediately quits so elections can once again take place, and this time Perón wasn't vetoed.
Perón was again in the presidency thanks to the guerrilla groups that pressured the goverments and the workers that didn't forget about him. But he had one month of life remaining. In a public act he sent to he** the guerrillas and that was like bucket of cold water. Once Perón died, the vicepresident (his wife, Isabel Martínez de Perón) faced a lot of economic and political conflicts (mainly the guerrillas) which made her resign and a new dictatorship took control of the country. That Dictatorship would be known here as the Process and as the most brutal dictatorship we've ever had.
Jorge Rafael Videla, Roberto Eduardo Viola and Leopoldo Galtieri were responsible of the murder of thousands of innocents and going to war against England, USA and the rest of the NATO because of the Malvinas/Falkland Islands. Argentina was devastated and the people wanted to send to jail the entire armed forces. Reynaldo Bignone was the last military left in charge and prepared the next elections.
Raúl Alfonsín of the Radical Party (Left) won the elections and had to face the hyperinflation and the Carapintadas(Painted Faces in English, they were a rebel part of the army that didn't want the trials against them to happen).
Then I would have to talk about the president that suceeded him but I don't want to, especially because it brings bad memories. The only thing I'm going to mention is that he set an economic time bomb which would detonate on december 2001 and pardoned all the military that were sent to jail because of the dictatorship:mad:.
 

Mugquomp

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Espio, that's a nice review of Argentinian history. It must've taken forever to write. I only know bits and pieces of Argentina's history, and that helped tie some things together in my mind. Which is good, because I'm leaving for a weekend in Argentina mañana, and it's always good to know something of the history of a country before going there.

But as far as the censorship goes, I think that the Argentinian government is really overreacting to the Simpsons' episode. However, I can see how anything that jokes about los desaparecidos, even in passing, could be taken pretty seriously by a Peronista government. But censoring something this small is the first step on a long, slippery slope that could lead to total control of the press, like in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia (which is not to say that present day Argentina is anything like those countries). I'm a huge supporter of the freedom of the press, and freedom of speech along with it, but that could have to do with growing up in a society that values those basic tenants.
 

espio87

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I'm leaving for a weekend in Argentina mañana, and it's always good to know something of the history of a country before going there.
Taking advantage of Labor's Day, huh?:laugh:

But as far as the censorship goes, I think that the Argentinian government is really overreacting to the Simpsons' episode. However, I can see how anything that jokes about los desaparecidos, even in passing, could be taken pretty seriously by a Peronista government. But censoring something this small is the first step on a long, slippery slope that could lead to total control of the press, like in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia (which is not to say that present day Argentina is anything like those countries). I'm a huge supporter of the freedom of the press, and freedom of speech along with it, but that could have to do with growing up in a society that values those basic tenants.
Well, like I said, being a fan of Mussolini explains how autoritarist Perón was. After all if you didn't agree with Perón or Evita, either the syndicates or the goverment, they would make your life impossible.
If you understand Spanish you must watch this and this. Enrique Pinti makes a better summary of the Argentinian history than me. If he goes too fast for you, try Tato Bores: Part 1, Part 2.
 

Mugquomp

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Haha, yeah, I'm definitely taking advantage of Labor Day to do a little border hopping. And those videos are pretty interesting, although I think a lot of the topical humor went right over my head. But most jokes in castellano just go right over my head anyway. I chalk it up to cultural differences regarding what actually amounts to humor. In fact, I've yet to tell a joke in Spanish and have non-gringos laugh at it.
 

digitalmaster287

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Censoring something just ruins what the creator originally wanted. I would rather that they do not even show the episode than censor. In the case of the Simpsons episode it really doesn't make that much of a difference but for something like what 4Kids did to One Piece it just completely destroyed the original manga artist's vision.
 
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