Do people here believe the WiiUGo rumor?

[thisismatt]

The one from 2011? Somebody posted it on GameFAQs earlier today and I basically got flamed out for calling it fake (as well as being called a hypocrite for believing the Pac/Mac/Mii leak and not that one). Personally I think the person who was doing the flaming is just a troll (he also called me a child and said I was throwing a tantrum based on my growing frustration with his refusal to use logic), but I just wanted to check in here and see if the intelligent Smash community has an opinion on it.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Wait what? WiiU Go?

I never heard of it... Is it a rumored Console? an Update or what?

Btw, this might belong in another thread then the Wii U Smash threads.

 

[Chiroz]

Never heard of this rumor

 

[thisismatt]

http://wiiugo.com/rumour-leaked-super-smash-bros-universe-fact-sheet/

Looks like a bunch of bulls*** to me personally, but a few people over on GameFAQs are adamant that just because it hasn't been "proven" false makes it just as likely to be true as any other leak. Because you know, common sense doesn't tell them that an official Nintendo document getting leaked wouldn't cause the company to go up in arms to find the person responsible, as well as the fact that the article explicitly states that 4Chan is involved.

 

[mimgrim]

Hrmmmmmmmmm, you know looking over it there is some pontiental to it. I mean look at 2 of the things on there.

> remove tripping. It (?) received well.

This has been confirmed.

>Metroid: Other M expanded on Samus and Ridley. Something about how Samus doesn’t need to be slow anymore. Other M and Zero Mission show her as a fast warrior and she needs to be represented as such in next installment.

Samus is now her other M design and is shown to be faster.


This rumor should be taken with a grain of salt like the Mii/Mac/Pac Rumor. It has had some things come true and should defintally be considered, but should not be taken over board.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

The few things that have come true are no-brainers. I'd like it to be true because of a certain mention of Ridley, but then there's the part about possibly more Sega characters and a mention of Square Enix and the whole thing just falls flat. I personally choose not to believe in it, as I do with most rumors.

 

[mimgrim]

The few things that have come true are no-brainers. I'd like it to be true because of a certain mention of Ridley, but then there's the part about possibly more Sega characters and a mention of Square Enix and the whole thing just falls flat. I personally choose not to believe in it, as I do with most rumors.

I dunno. I wouldn't say Samus bcoming a lighter faster version then what she was in the past 3 games is a no brainer.

We just gotta wait and see if anything else happens. lol

 

[Moon Monkey]

Last time I checked the official name of the games were:
[collapse= SSB WiiU and SSB 3DS]

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And not Super Smash Bros Universe.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I dunno. I wouldn't say Samus bcoming a lighter faster version then what she was in the past 3 games is a no brainer.

She should have been a fast character to begin with, since she's hailed as possibly the most athletic character on the roster. Leaping over to the Other M design is obviously gonna make her faster and a lot more agile given the gameplay of the game. Sakurai has stated that when making characters he goes in-depth about what their source games play like, he even mentioned that Samus was floaty because in Metroid you have to be able to aim at doors and enemies while jumping. So taking that into account, it's obvious that they'd make her fast given how Other M plays. No-brainer might have been an extreme word, but it definitely wasn't unlikely at all to begin with.

Last time I checked the official name of the games were:
[collapse= SSB WiiU and SSB 3DS]

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And not Super Smash Bros Universe.

Yeah, it's another thing that might make this rumor invalid, but to be fair such things change a lot during development.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Yeah, it's another thing that might make this rumor invalid, but to be fair such things change a lot during development.

Even if that was the case, it still sounds highly suspicious; Seeing how we know there is a 3DS version of the game in the works. What's a Wii U naming convention doing on the 3DS?
Sakurai has already stated that he wanted to do a handheld version from the start. So the lack of any 3DS related news from early on development should raise red flags.

 

[mimgrim]

She should have been a fast character to begin with, since she's hailed as possibly the most athletic character on the roster. Leaping over to the Other M design is obviously gonna make her faster and a lot more agile given the gameplay of the game. Sakurai has stated that when making characters he goes in-depth about what their source games play like, he even mentioned that Samus was floaty because in Metroid you have to be able to aim at doors and enemies while jumping. So taking that into account, it's obvious that they'd make her fast given how Other M plays.

Should have and being are not the same thing. Considering that in the past 3 Smash games she was slow and heavy (yet floaty lol). You only say it is obvious because it is already done. It wasn't even obvious if they would use Other M design, yet alone if Other M design would make her fast and light in Smash or not. Which is why I will say again that it only seems obvious now that it has been revelaed, but how many people were saying before that was revealed that she would end up being light and faster this time around when the last 3 games said otherwise? Ofc just getting 2 things right isn't enough to constitute in believing in it 100% as there are many unanswered things and possibly could have been a little truth mixed in with allot of false statements. So it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Last time I checked the official name of the games were:
[collapse= SSB WiiU and SSB 3DS]

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And not Super Smash Bros Universe.

To be fair names can change during development. Time will tell. lol

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Even if that was the case, it still sounds highly suspicious; Seeing how we know there is a 3DS version of the game in the works. What's a Wii U naming convention doing on the 3DS?
Sakurai has already stated that he wanted to do a handheld version from the start. So the lack of any 3DS related news from early on development should raise red flags.

With that in mind, then yeah, that's actually a MAJOR detractor to the rumor's credibility.

Should have and being are not the same thing. Considering that in the past 3 Smash games she was slow and heavy (yet floaty lol). You only say it is obvious because it is already done. It wasn't even obvious if they would use Other M design, yet alone if Other M design would make her fast and light in Smash or not. Which is why I will say again that it only seems obvious now that it has been revelaed, but how many people were saying before that was revealed that she would end up being light and faster this time around when the last 3 games said otherwise? Ofc just getting 2 things right isn't enough to constitute in believing in it 100% as there are many unanswered things and possibly could have been a little truth mixed in with allot of false statements. So it needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Until the SSB4 trailer every character that had gotten updated designs in between Smash Bros games got updated, Link broke the pattern since he's still using the Twilight Princess design. Samus changed from Super Metroid to Zero Mission design from SSBM to SSBB, though it's more or less a combination of Super Metroid and Zero Mission in SSBB since you couldn't acquire the big shouldered Varia Suit in Zero Mission, all of the other details on the suit match Zero Mission's Gravity Suit perfectly though, which also makes sense since the Zero Suit Samus design is also from Zero Mission. It also made me wonder why Sakurai said she'd been based on Super Metroid up until now in the developer direct. So the next logical choice was obviously upgrading to Other M, though I personally hoped against it since it'd make Ridley look like a duck if he's in the game. So yeah, I actually had wishful thinking pre-trailer that they wouldn't go with the Other M design, despite the fact that it was actually fairly obvious they'd do it. Just like Samus, Link and Fox were upgraded between Melee and Brawl, it should be logical that Samus would be upgraded to Other M in SSB4.

 

[Moon Monkey]

To be fair names can change during development. Time will tell. lol

I'm almost 300% certain (That's Sudden Death percentages for this rumor ) that it's fake.
As I said before, In the "leaked" pictures below there is no sign of a 3DS version:
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In this article here: http://nintendoeverything.com/more-...mization-no-online-world-ranking-system-more/

Sakurai already said he talked it over with Iwata and that he wanted to do a 3DS version along side the Wii U one.
The lack of mention the of the 3DS version in this "document" even if it was early on in development is shakey seeing how Sakurai already revealed that he wanted a 3DS version from the get-go.
It doesn't line up.

 

[mimgrim]

I'm almost 300% certain (That's Sudden Death percentages for this rumor) that it's fake.
As I said before, In the "leaked" pictures below there is no sign of a 3DS version

Spoiler

In this article here: http://nintendoeverything.com/more-...mization-no-online-world-ranking-system-more/

Sakurai already said he talked it over with Iwata and that he wanted to do a 3DS version along side the Wii U one.
The lack of mention the of the 3DS version in this "document" even if it was early on in development is shakey seeing how Sakurai already revealed that he wanted a 3DS version from the get-go.
It doesn't line up.

Oh I agree it detracts from the rumor, but a couple of the things stated have been proven true meaning it could be small truths and then the person threw in other stuff to. Just as is possible for the Mii/Mac/Pac rumor. But also this is back in 2011 meaning it is possible that at the time both games were under different names and it could have been possible back then they were planned to have different content. To repeat myself again, take it with a grain of salt. lol

Until the SSB4 trailer every character that had gotten updated designs in between Smash Bros games got updated, Link broke the pattern since he's still using the Twilight Princess design. Samus changed from Super Metroid to Zero Mission design from SSBM to SSBB, though it's more or less a combination of Super Metroid and Zero Mission in SSBB since you couldn't acquire the big shouldered Varia Suit in Zero Mission, all of the other details on the suit match Zero Mission's Gravity Suit perfectly though, which also makes sense since the Zero Suit Samus design is also from Zero Mission. It also made me wonder why Sakurai said she'd been based on Super Metroid up until now in the developer direct. So the next logical choice was obviously upgrading to Other M, though I personally hoped against it since it'd make Ridley look like a duck if he's in the game. So yeah, I actually had wishful thinking pre-trailer that they wouldn't go with the Other M design, despite the fact that it was actually fairly obvious they'd do it. Just like Samus, Link and Fox were upgraded between Melee and Brawl, it should be logical that Samus would be upgraded to Other M in SSB4.

Even though Other M design would have been a likely guess and been proven true, it still would not have been a no brainer or likely guess she would be made lighter and faster. It even stated in the rumor that the Zero Suite was suppose to be a light version of it even and that designe they used in Smash was still slow and heavy. That is the main point I am trying to get at. It would not have been a no brainer guess to guess that Samus would be made faster and lighter.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Even though Other M design would have been a likely guess and been proven true, it still would not have been a no brainer or likely guess she would be made lighter and faster. It even stated in the rumor that the Zero Suite was suppose to be a light version of it even and that designe they used in Smash was still slow and heavy. That is the main point I am trying to get at. It would not have been a no brainer guess to guess that Samus would be made faster and lighter.

Yeah, as I said, no-brainer was an extreme word, but if we follow Sakurai's ideaology that characters should play like they do in their respective games, something we've known since just after Brawl's release, it's not far-fetched at all to have guessed that she'd be faster. I was hoping for it, and was overly pleased to see how fast she went from her side-tilt to her side-smash in the trailer. It's been a popular desire among Samus players and fans to have her become faster, so it's not far-fetched at all, I'm fairly certain you'll be able to find comments in the Samus thread about how people want her to become faster pre-SSB4. I will say that it's an odd thing to include if someone wants to spread a rumor though, but I've read more obscure things from rumors before.

 

[Moon Monkey]

Oh I agree it detracts from the rumor, but a couple of the things stated have been proven true meaning it could be small truths and then the person threw in other stuff to. Just as is possible for the Mii/Mac/Pac rumor. But also this is back in 2011 meaning it is possible that at the time both games were under different names and it could have been possible back then they were planned to have different content. To repeat myself again, take it with a grain of salt. lol

The difference between the the Mii-Lil-Pac rumor is that we have to wait and see if said characters show up to disprove said rumor. Unlike the Mii-Lil-Pac rumor, this rumor has provided "support" that we can immediately use to check the validity of the rumor.
Even if this was posted back in 2011 Sakurai has already stated that he was thinking about a 3DS version as Kid Icarus: Uprising was wrapping up:

Back when I was working on Kid Icarus Uprising, I was already getting a feel for the 3DS performance and the features in that hardware. Mr. Iwata came to me and asked which platform I would want to put the next Smash Bros. on. Looking at those two platforms and seeing their individual styles and uniquenesses – I saw with the 3DS that it would be good for one flavor of the game, but there was also the other end, getting the grand scale what was possible with the Wii U. So with that in mind, we decided to go ahead and put the game on two platforms.

-Sakureezy​

So again, to reiterate, he was already planning to make a 3DS version before the game even begun progress; and as I mentioned earlier, seeing how we know there is a 3DS version of the game in the works. What's a Wii U naming convention like Universe doing on the 3DS???

Hell! Even if both games were supposedly under different names like you suggest, why would they exclude the working title version of the 3DS version from the game doc sheet? There no 3DS logo anywhere on that document. In addition to this we have sources that show that Sakurai wanted to keep the naming conventions simple for both versions: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds-final-names-revealed

It's hard to take with a grain of salt when, we can already disprove it's truths/validity.

 

[mimgrim]

The difference between the the Mii-Lil-Pac rumor is that we have to wait and see if said characters show up to disprove said rumor. Unlike the Mii-Lil-Pac rumor, this rumor has provided "support" that we can immediately use to check the validity of the rumor.
Even if this was posted back in 2011 Sakurai has already stated that he was thinking about a 3DS version as Kid Icarus: Uprising was wrapping up:

So again, to reiterate, he was already planning to make a 3DS version before the game even begun progress; and as I mentioned earlier, seeing how we know there is a 3DS version of the game in the works. What's a Wii U naming convention like Universe doing on the 3DS???

Hell! Even if both games were supposedly under different names like you suggest, why would they exclude the working title version of the 3DS version from the game doc sheet? There no 3DS logo anywhere on that document. In addition to this we have sources that show that Sakurai wanted to keep the naming conventions simple for both versions: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds-final-names-revealed

It's hard to take with a grain of salt when, we can already disprove it's truths/validity.

*sigh* I guess I didn't get across what I wanted to. I meant that it is possible that there could have been 2 different sheets for both games because at the time it could have been that they were thinking of different content and all that and the person was only able to get a look at one sheet. You can say it is disproved but there are a few likely scenarios that show why X things was this at X time and is now X thing instead and all that. Not to mention some stuff that was show to be correct in the supposed leak to. I'm not saying any of this is likely or unlikely, but that there are plausible scenarios that prevent it from being proved or not meaning just like the character rumor we have to wait. .-.

 

[SpaceJell0]

Complete BS and you know it guys

 

[Dark Phazon]

Complete BS and you know it guys

Were any brawl rumors true? Or just that 1 leak a week after it hit JPN?

 

[Moon Monkey]

*sigh* I guess I didn't get across what I wanted to. I meant that it is possible that there could have been 2 different sheets for both games because at the time it could have been that they were thinking of different content and all that and the person was only able to get a look at one sheet.

While this is true, I'm finding it hard to believe that ANY official document of any company would title a game's name, or any product at all without any indication that it was a working title in the early stages of development.

You can say it is disproved but there are a few likely scenarios that show why X things was this at X time and is now X thing instead and all that.

The thing is we already have our variable X. X = Sakurai stating from the start that he wanted to make a 3DS version. This X has remained the same since Kid Icarus: Uprising was winding down development.
So nothing about X has changed. The only difference is that we now know they are making a 3DS version, where as before we didn't.

Not to mention some stuff that was show to be correct in the supposed leak to. I'm not saying any of this is likely or unlikely, but that there are plausible scenarios that prevent it from being proved or not meaning just like the character rumor we have to wait. .-.

The thing is about rumors is that tend to make bold predictions, and sometimes these rumors might hit the nail on the head to help support it. Remember that Namco employee rumor??
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/n...mors-ghirahim-and-ridley-playable-nintendo-di
They too somehow managed to predict Other M influence on Metriod characters, AND they alluded to Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze.

If any part of any rumor can be disproved, then all of that rumor is no longer hold merit or probably outdated.

 

[mimgrim]

While this is true, I'm finding it hard to believe that ANY official document of any company would title a game's name, or any product at all without any indication that it was a working title in the early stages of development.

The thing is we already have our variable X. X = Sakurai stating from the start that he wanted to make a 3DS version. This X has remained the same since Kid Icarus: Uprising was winding down development.
So nothing about X has changed. The only difference is that we now know they are making a 3DS version, where as before we didn't.

The thing is about rumors is that tend to make bold predictions, and sometimes these rumors might hit the nail on the head to help support it. Remember that Namco employee rumor??
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/n...mors-ghirahim-and-ridley-playable-nintendo-di
They too somehow managed to predict Other M influence on Metriod characters, AND they alluded to Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze.

If any part of any rumor can be disproved, then all of that rumor is no longer hold merit or probably outdated.

I'm not saying this rumor is likely or anything but I am trying to say that what you have said doesn't completly disprove it. Because there are plausible scenarions as to why something is what it is in this case, although I do think this case is a hurt factor I still don't feel it completly disproves it either. So yea no part has been disproven yet as there are plausible reasons as to why something is as it is in this case, though it is still a hurt factor. However the rumor probably is outdated though considering it was back in 2011. lol

 

[Moon Monkey]

I'm not saying this rumor is likely or anything but I am trying to say that what you have said doesn't completly disprove it. Because there are plausible scenarions as to why something is what it is in this case, although I do think this case is a hurt factor I still don't feel it completly disproves it either. So yea no part has been disproven yet as there are plausible reasons as to why something is as it is in this case, though it is still a hurt factor. However the rumor probably is outdated though considering it was back in 2011. lol

If the questionable subtitle choice, the lack of "working title" anywhere on the document OR the lack of mention of Wii U to 3DS connectivity or 3DS in general doesn't disprove the rumor, then perhaps the date will.

2011, 2011, 2011. Didn't SSB4 begin AFTER Kid Icarus: Uprising? That was 2012. How do you secure 3rd parties for a game that isn't even in development? I already posted an article Sakurai and Iwata didn't even begin to consider SSB4 or anything SSB4 related until after Kid Icarus: Uprising went platinum.

To even support this, Sakurai himself even stated he wouldn't begin working on anything Smash until after Kid Icarus was finished. So it's not like he was working on it in 2011 in conjuncture with Kid Icarus.
Source: http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/35628/sakurai-starts-working-on-smash-bros-3ds-and-wii-u/
Sakurai said he started working on SSB4 back in late February 2012 not. 2011.

If the iffy title wasn't any indication than THIS is.

 

[mimgrim]

If the questionable subtitle choice, the lack of "working title" anywhere on the document OR the lack of mention of Wii U to 3DS connectivity or 3DS in general doesn't disprove the rumor, then perhaps the date will.
2011, 2011, 2011. Didn't SSB4 didn't even begin AFTER Kid Icarus: Uprising? That was 2012. How do you secure 3rd parties for a game that isn't even in development? I already posted an article Sakurai and Iwata didn't even begin to consider SSB4 or anything SSB4 related until after Kid Icarus: Uprising went platinum.

To even support this, Sakurai himself even stated he wouldn't begin working on anything Smash until after Kid Icarus was finished. So it's not like he was working on it in 2011 in conjuncture with Kid Icarus.
Source: http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/35628/sakurai-starts-working-on-smash-bros-3ds-and-wii-u/
Sakurai said he started working on SSB4 back in late February 2012 not. 2011.

If the iffy title wasn't any indication than THIS is.

Ah, I forgot about the year Smash4 was starting to get worked on. Gotcha there now.

 

[Sarki Soliloquy]

The article is dated September 20th, 2011, along with the observations made above and the factual information we have now, this article is 999% incredible.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

The statements about Samus are strange. Samus is faster in Super Metroid (where her old design came from) than in Other M so an Other M design is no reason for a speed up. Then again, Other M is pretty much the worst game ever and is hated by basically the entire Metroid fanbase and they are acknowledging it exists so I don't really get how they're interpreting that game at all. For that matter, I'm not really seeing evidence she's faster in smash 4 beyond the normal balance tweaks any bottom tier character would get for a new iteration. All the talk about her changed design in the developer direct was purely cosmetic; he never said her moves in general were going to be faster.

The fact that we haven't seen that title and even more that it has such an odd logo that doesn't incorporate the typical smash logo is strange.

The worst part is the talk about this or that franchise. That's not how it works. Remember when Fox, Falco, and Wolf were in Brawl despite Star Fox being a franchise that was going nowhere fast? A lot of people on the internet talk about "rep" and the size of this or that franchise, but it's way less important to Sakurai than it is to people on gamefaqs. This has been proven consistently. Are Mother and F-Zero finished? Maybe. Does it matter for smash? No, it really doesn't. The fact that that's shown as being a top consideration is something uncharacteristic. For that matter, the talk about which characters are in dominating the conversation is even stranger. I severely doubt that the roster is the top priority in development; Sakurai has always been about having a big new idea for a game and building around that, and I'm not seeing that here (unless your expanded stickers from SSE idea is supposed to count).

It's possible this is real, but it seems far more likely to me that it's not. This is doubly true as it's very unclear why such a fact sheet would ever have been made; who was the intended audience of this thing? If it was an internal thing, why go thorugh the trouble of including the logos for each language version and that and generally present it like a public document? If it's supposed to be presented to someone, the content seems bizarre. Overall this is just too dubious really.

 

[Luigi player]

100 % fake

- because of the name (the Wii U "U" in Universe... what about the 3DS version? It would've been called SSBUniverse too, but a Wii U "U" in there wouldn't make sense)
- and because of the date, where they weren't even near to the end of Kid Icarus / start of the new Smash

 

[DakotaBonez]

A photo of a document written in a language that nobody here can translate!?! Obviously this confirms Ridley for Smash Bros!

 

[Dark Phazon]

I believe it

Hey...you gotta believe in something....

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, I don't believe it.

I guess that means I'm not one of the people here.