Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[7NATOR]

I thought the Indie direct also sometimes come after General direct, and we did have a General in February

Anyway here my thoughts on everything talked about in here

-I do expect more Indie content in Smash before FP2 is over. Now whether it's a full Indie character, I'm not Completely sure, but at least some Mii Costumes I do see though

-I think we could get a Mini or something before E3. While I do think they could reveal Both characters at E3, It's actually possible CP10 might be able to come out before that time anyway, and CP11 might also already have some substantial development done at this time also (I think CP10 already is definitely in a presentable state, and probably had Sakurai presents filmed)

Pretty much I could see CP10 being released in May, and CP11 released in Late June or July

-Chun-Li MIGHT seem to be a When, not an if when it comes to Smash. with that being said, I will say that it did seem like Sakurai priotized Ken over Chun intially anyway. Ken was the only SF Character to have a trophy and Music in Smash 4. They might want to figure out how to Implement Chun's Charge Mechanics in Smash, and they have tested this with Terry already

-Xemnas is Really cool. He's got like Star wars powers and Light Sabers, one of the coolest voices every, cool fashion sense, Some really cool themes, etc. I would play as him in Smash

-If you're gonna put in Eggman, go with the Death Egg, no questions asked.

 

[cashregister9]

-If you're gonna put in Eggman, go with the Death Egg, no questions asked.

Okay but Final Egg

 

[Louie G.]

That gives me an idea for a fun topic: Rider characters.

This is the reason I’ve wanted Mach Rider for years now. A mount fighter who does wheelies and stylish bike tricks while shooting you with futuristic lasers? You’d have to go out of your way NOT to have this be the coolest character in the whole game.

I know Sakurai abandoned Excitebiker ages ago, but I think nowadays seeing how nuts he’s gone with some of these other ideas... he could definitely make it work if he wanted it.

 

[cashregister9]

That gives me an idea for a fun topic: Rider characters.

Any Of These lads would do

or

Not The fate rep I would go with but okay

 

[Gengar84]

This is the reason I’ve wanted Mach Rider for years now. A mount fighter who does wheelies and stylish bike tricks while shooting you with futuristic lasers? You’d have to go out of your way NOT to have this be the coolest character in the whole game.

I know Sakurai abandoned Excitebiker ages ago, but I think nowadays seeing how nuts he’s gone with some of these other ideas... he could definitely make it work if he wanted it.

Mach Rider also has the bonus of being a great base to make mods for alts. Some examples that could be fun are Makoto from Persona, Ghost Rider, Spawn, Batman, and even an alternate Cloud moveset.

 

[ARandomZoomer]

Well we did get Sephiroth before a secondary protagonist like Tifa so I think it’s not totally out of the question. What I would love, even if it doesn’t really make sense in universe, is a transform style character that swaps between Ansem, Xemnas, and Xehanort. Since they all exist separately at the same time, it probably makes more sense to tag out than actually transform.

Yeah though I would say Xehanort is more a Sephiroth equivalent in being the de facto villain in that comparison so I wouldn't see the other two added over him in that scenario

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Speaking of crossovers I didn't expect to see today

I can't believe they redesigned Ryu as a Power Ranger and everything lmao

Strong Badam if you’re still working on this game you beautiful son of a *****, I’m impressed.

 

[PeridotGX]

Can we just add PMEX Masked Man and PMEX Sans as the last two characters? They're genuinely some of the best feeling characters in series history.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well I heard the news about Power of The Grid.

I'm going with Chun-Li as the E3 character, since no one is expecting her now since the last Sakurai Presents. Smash is the only major crossover Chun-Li isn't a part of that Ryu is.

 

[RileyXY1]

Well I heard the news about Power of The Grid.

I'm going with Chun-Li as the E3 character, since no one is expecting her now since the last Sakurai Presents. Smash is the only major crossover Chun-Li isn't a part of that Ryu is.

I can see them going for M. Bison instead, especially if they choose Dr. Eggman as the next Sonic rep.

 

[Gengar84]

I can see them going for M. Bison instead, especially if they choose Dr. Eggman as the next Sonic rep.

Chun-Li and Bison are cool but my favorites have always been Guile and Vega. Since Guile is an assist trophy, I’ll have to root for Vega even if he barely has any chance.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Smash is the only major crossover Chun-Li isn't a part of that Ryu is.

.....she's a Spirit. In fact, she has two Spirits.

Just because someone isn't playable doesn't mean they aren't in the game.

 

[Perkilator]

I can see them going for M. Bison instead, especially if they choose Dr. Eggman as the next Sonic rep.

You realize that not every 2nd character in an already repped 3rd party franchise has to be a villain, right? Just because Sephiroth was the first non-Echo example of this doesn't mean those are the only kinds of characters that are eligible.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You realize that not every 2nd character in an already repped 3rd party franchise has to be a villain, right? Just because Sephiroth was the first non-Echo example of this doesn't mean those are the only kinds of characters that are eligible.

Yeah, but in the very specific case of Sonic, if we go by "DLC outfits and Assists deconfirm", Eggman is pretty much the best option for the series since we'd lose on Tails, Knuckles and Shadow.

Doesn't excuse the hyperfocus on villains since Sephiroth, but it's not the only reason Eggman is on some people's minds.

 

[Gengar84]

You realize that not every 2nd character in an already repped 3rd party franchise has to be a villain, right? Just because Sephiroth was the first non-Echo example of this doesn't mean those are the only kinds of characters that are eligible.

They don’t have to be villains but I think they are generally more fun additions. I like matching up hero’s vs villains in Smash and it’s cool that it gives them something to fight against. That being said, I would still end up choosing whatever second character I liked better which isn’t always the villain.

 

[Guynamednelson]

.....she's a Spirit. In fact, she has two Spirits.

Just because someone isn't playable doesn't mean they aren't in the game.

"Smash is the only major crossover Chun-Li isn't playable in that Ryu is."

Is that better for the all-representation-is-valid bubble?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

"Smash is the only major crossover Chun-Li isn't playable in that Ryu is."

Is that better for the all-representation-is-valid bubble?

That doesn't mean we're forced to have Chun-Li in Smash though.

Like, yeah, it'd be the weird one out, but it'd make sense for Smash to be the weird one out since it's not a Capcom crossover, which is where the vast majority of crossover appearances both Ryu and Chun-Li lie.

I guess by that logic, Metal Sonic can be a frontrunner because Sega has a thing for getting that robot dude as DLC.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Hi I’m technically on break but I wanted to share this:

A new #IndieWorld Showcase arrives on Wednesday, April 14 at 9 a.m. PT! Tune in for a livestream featuring roughly 20 minutes focused on fresh and new indie games coming to #NintendoSwitch.

Watch it live here: https://t.co/FIStSylRFM pic.twitter.com/VWIW2WtQyW

— Indie World (@IndieWorldNA) April 13, 2021

If I’m not mistaken, directs usually follow Indie Worlds the week after right???

I honestly dont care if a direct comes out aftef this, I kinda just wang to finally have Terraria 1.4 on switch in this indie direct because relogic is pussyfooting around

 

[Icedragonadam]

So we now have a bit of evidence of some Nintendo direct(mini or general) potentially happening this month thanks to the Indie Direct.

 

[SKX31]

Speaking of crossovers I didn't expect to see today

I can't believe they redesigned Ryu as a Power Ranger and everything lmao

I see that Ryu's quest to battle the multiverse in the most random of ways continues.

This is the reason I’ve wanted Mach Rider for years now. A mount fighter who does wheelies and stylish bike tricks while shooting you with futuristic lasers? You’d have to go out of your way NOT to have this be the coolest character in the whole game.

I know Sakurai abandoned Excitebiker ages ago, but I think nowadays seeing how nuts he’s gone with some of these other ideas... he could definitely make it work if he wanted it.

Trying to guess why Sakurai and co. didn't (and haven't) gone through with that - for the most part - is extremely dicey territory at best. But a possible reason are that it's extremely difficult to account for the immense size a rider would have (especially if (s)he's on the ride constantly). Most likely the rider would either be pretty damn wide (incl. mount) or have a pretty big size otherwise. That might be a problem especially in FFAs where wide sizes usually make characters more suspectible to explosives and other items. Shield size might also be a major issue.

was already small, so sticking him to the Koopa Clown Car was not that much of an issue, and 's Bike is a separate move with its utility to the character. That might be the solution - having the mount (horse, bike, we) be a move one can toggle or use (with a cooldown possibly included - Bike is on a 6 sec CD after it's destroyed and Wario has to touch the ground again).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So we now have a bit of evidence of some Nintendo direct(mini or general) potentially happening this month thanks to the Indie Direct.

We've had months where we got an Indie World without a proper Direct.

This means nothing.

 

[rexfan53]

So we now have a bit of evidence of some Nintendo direct(mini or general) potentially happening this month thanks to the Indie Direct.

Huh? How

Yeah, but in the very specific case of Sonic, if we go by "DLC outfits and Assists deconfirm", Eggman is pretty much the best option for the series since we'd lose on Tails, Knuckles and Shadow.

Doesn't excuse the hyperfocus on villains since Sephiroth, but it's not the only reason Eggman is on some people's minds.

Eggman isnt the best option in terms of popularity though.

 

[cothero]

I'm gonna be real; I'm growing more and more excited for the potential of Master Chief in Smash. His likelihood is plenty debatable, sure, but just think of how well they could pull him off! Guns, grenades, hell, think of a stage set on one of the rings! It'd be gorgeous!

I've never played any Halo game, but i recognize how important MC is. Smash desperatelly needs more western characters and at least one FPS fighter (Metroid Prime Samus doesn't count as one). MC could be both, the same goes to Doomguy (although i assume MC would be easier to include as Microsoft already has two characters in the game).

 

[cashregister9]

I'm willing to bet on the fact we won't get any Major directs between now and E3. The most I can see is a Hardware overview of the Nintendo 2witch but that is about it.

Look on the bright side, at least we know the date of a Major direct.

 

[Technomage]

I see that Ryu's quest to battle the multiverse in the most random of ways continues.



Trying to guess why Sakurai and co. didn't (and haven't) gone through with that - for the most part - is extremely dicey territory at best. But a possible reason are that it's extremely difficult to account for the immense size a rider would have (especially if (s)he's on the ride constantly). Most likely the rider would either be pretty damn wide (incl. mount) or have a pretty big size otherwise. That might be a problem especially in FFAs where wide sizes usually make characters more suspectible to explosives and other items. Shield size might also be a major issue.

was already small, so sticking him to the Koopa Clown Car was not that much of an issue, and 's Bike is a separate move with its utility to the character. That might be the solution - having the mount (horse, bike, we) be a move one can toggle or use (with a cooldown possibly included - Bike is on a 6 sec CD after it's destroyed and Wario has to touch the ground again).

Good point. So, what mounted characters would be small enough for that?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I don’t see anything big happening till June, maybe a mini or shudder a partner showcase, but aside from that it feels like we’ll have to wait till E3.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Eggman isnt the best option in terms of popularity though.

He's still fairly popular though, so I don't think there'd be a massive uproar if he got in.

 

[Dinoman96]

Yeah we're definitely waiting until June, Sakurai even just that we're going to have to "wait a bit longer" on his latest Famitsu article.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Thus ends the 2 month gap of Steve, Sephiroth, and Pyra & Mythra.

October-April.

RIP.

 

[N3ON]

Well well well (mostly) all aboard the June train now eh

Excuse me.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Yeah we're definitely waiting until June, Sakurai even just that we're going to have to "wait a bit longer" on his latest Famitsu article.

Quick question. Didn't he say something like this before a different fighter? I want to say the last time he made a statement like this the wait time was about a month. Very few of us were expecting an April reveal anyway, so I'm not sure how this changes anything.

 

[SharkLord]

Yeah we're definitely waiting until June, Sakurai even just that we're going to have to "wait a bit longer" on his latest Famitsu article.

To be fair, "wait a bit longer" can go for anything. Next month is a little longer, until E3 is a little longer, the end of Summer (Which hasn't even started yet) is a little longer. Think that Famitsu quote is just standard PR talk.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean, getting CP10 before E3 and having CP11 be revealed at E3 with a Fall release isn't exactly a crazy assumption given the precedence of Pass 2 characters.

I wouldn't put all of my eggs on that basket because other Pass 2 characters took a while to show up (i.e. Min Min and Steve), but it's not impossible either.

 

[N3ON]

I mean, getting CP10 before E3 and having CP11 be revealed at E3 with a Fall release isn't exactly a crazy assumption given the precedence of Pass 2 characters.

I wouldn't put all of my eggs on that basket because other Pass 2 characters took a while to show up (i.e. Min Min and Steve), but it's not impossible either.

We'll see.

But it's extremely unlikely we get a character reveal this month. And then new stuff typically isn't revealed in May, because the E3 presentation looms so large its gravity pulls the announcements into its orbit. Other than maybe Pokemon, but they don't follow the laws of the universe anyway.

Also if you consider the original plans for Steve, the precedent of FP2 has been intending to release characters three months apart and reveal them around events. Three months after Pyra and Mythra released would be June, and hey, look at that, there's an event in June.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I thought that E3 was dead in the water for this year meaning Nintendo could do a Direct whenever they please but now that not only is E3 back but Nintendo is confirmed to be participating I’d be shocked if we got anything earlier than June.

 

[CannonStreak]

I thought that E3 was dead in the water for this year meaning Nintendo could do a Direct whenever they please but now that not only is E3 back but Nintendo is confirmed to be participating I’d be shocked if we got anything earlier than June.

Now that I think of it, an Nintendo Direct would make less sense to happen this month than something later in June. Plus, Directs don't always come after Indie Worlds, right?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Given how fast the years have been getting, June will be here until you know it. Until then you guys should have plenty of other stuff to look forward to.

Me notably the new Mortal Kombat movie next week! Oh and watching Godzilla vs. Kong plenty of times more.

 

[Deleted member]

This is a pretty random thought, but how would you feel if this character got in?

if you don't know who it is, it's the Barbarian King from Clash of Clans

 

[SKX31]

Good point. So, what mounted characters would be small enough for that?

To be constantly on the mount? Eggman might be on the upper limit there, but he's probably perfectly viable in the Egg Mobile constantly. Anyone smaller than Eggman would probably be okay.

Some characters might be jankier (Sigurd's horse is a good example, especially since horses have long backs), but again, having the mount be a move might help solve that issue. Sigurd wouldn't neccessarily be out.

I think it helps that rider characters would not neccessarily share 's current weaknesses* (In Jr's case, he's pretty predictable if one becomes used to his projectiles / Clown Kart Dash stuff - he's not quick on the ground without CKD, and the projectiles have some major caveats attached to them. His offense overall also risks grinding to a halt by mid %s when his usual strings stop working as consistently but his opponent's not quite at kill %).

*I don't think Jr is bad, it feels like he lacks that extra oomph to truly connect his offense together + he's one of those characters swamped in a game where half the cast is considered "pretty damn good" - or above - and some other characters are more explosive in an obvious manner ( 's DORIYAH), so he is forgotten more often than not. He does have some legitimately good or amazing stuff to him, like the ability to air-to-air very well.

This is a pretty random thought, but how would you feel if this character got in?

if you don't know who it is, it's the Barbarian King from Clash of Clans

I'd be intrigued by how he would play... but I'm of the opinion that if Nintendo goes forward with a mobile character they should first go with Euden or another first party. I can't shake the feeling that it would feel less forced (for lack of a better term) that way, even as Clash of Clans (as well as many other mobile games like Angry Birds) has been around for 5+ years at this point and thus have got legit legacies of their own (for both good and ill).

 

[Evil Trapezium]

This is a pretty random thought, but how would you feel if this character got in?
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if you don't know who it is, it's the Barbarian King from Clash of Clans

My hopes and dreams would be crushed.

Then I would fall to my knees like this.