Dealing death from afar

[Mister Hyde]

While playing around with Zelda I found something rather interesting. If you teleport on top of someone it can kill at percents from around 60 - 90 (if they are on the side near the edge).

What do you all think about this?

 

[Rickster]

Are you talking about the high knock back? This has been known for quite a while, at least since the playable E3 build. But yes, Farore's reappearance is now a kill move.

 

[Soluble Toast]

It's more than likely going to be Smash 4's equivelant to Brawl's Din though. Couple of weeks of "OMGSOGUD", then people realise that it's ridiculously easy to shield it.

I imagine it'll still be more reliable than Brawl's Din though, if only slightly.

 

[Uncertain Title]

Actually, I find it easier to land from the ground. Knock them up upon disappearing, don't input a direction, and they should be knocked up right about to where you reappear(I have so far been able to kill like that at 70% or more ^ ^)

 

[Hulk Smash]

I've tried to do this several times, but I'm finding it difficult to predict how far up I'll reappear. Don't want to end up above them and end up getting KO'd as a result

 

[Uncertain Title]

I've tried to do this several times, but I'm finding it difficult to predict how far up I'll reappear. Don't want to end up above them and end up getting KO'd as a result

Strange. Usually, around 70 they should be at the perfect distance for when you reappear. It does seem to vary though with a few characters though. But I have won games with this FW combo, so I can testify to it :D

 

[Tohfoo]

Strange. Usually, around 70 they should be at the perfect distance for when you reappear. It does seem to vary though with a few characters though. But I have won games with this FW combo, so I can testify to it :D

I second this. Seems to work more reliably around 80% or so in my experience.

 

[Hulk Smash]

Strange. Usually, around 70 they should be at the perfect distance for when you reappear. It does seem to vary though with a few characters though. But I have won games with this FW combo, so I can testify to it :D

Hmm, okay then, I'll just put more practice into it and make sure im at the right percentage before I try to KO them with FW, Thanks!

 

[Uncertain Title]

Hmm, okay then, I'll just put more practice into it and make sure im at the right percentage before I try to KO them with FW, Thanks!

Np, and it does vary from character to character. But you'll begin to notice what type of characters got tossed upwards earlier than others and such the more you try.

 

[Einyuri]

Farore's Wind is a great kill move if you can land it. Though if you just FW in plain sight more likely than not you'll be punished for it since the opponent will shield or dodge out of the way, and FW has a huge recovery time upon landing.

Pick and choose your moments when using it.

 

[Uncertain Title]

Farore's Wind is a great kill move if you can land it. Though if you just FW in plain sight more likely than not you'll be punished for it since the opponent will shield or dodge out of the way, and FW has a huge recovery time upon landing.

Pick and choose your moments when using it.

This is why I recommend you play mind games with it ):D FW to them maybe a couple of times, but use it regularly the rest of the time. (FW behind them instead of to them when trying to get back on a ledge) If they start to catch on, just FW in place a few times to psyche them out before actually using it to hit them.

 

[ZombieBran]

Don't use it as an approach unless you're sure your opponent cannot avoid it in time. Oh, but do use it as often as you like on players who refuse to shield. It is indeed this game's Din's. Except it's actually still useful against competent players.

Teledashing in PM has spoiled me and the end lag on FW is killing me. It would be a lot more fun with just a bit of breathing room.

 

[Einyuri]

Don't use it as an approach unless you're sure your opponent cannot avoid it in time. Oh, but do use it as often as you like on players who refuse to shield. It is indeed this game's Din's. Except it's actually still useful against competent players.

Teledashing in PM has spoiled me and the end lag on FW is killing me. It would be a lot more fun with just a bit of breathing room.

Seriously, PM Zelda spoiled me in such a way that when I played Smash 4 Zelda I was doing things that shouldn't be done lol.

But it's still my main girl so I figured her out fairly quickly. Though I'm still learning, I'm quite enjoying her with Lucina on the side.

Also is it me or is Dins fire much more useful in this version than past iterations?

 

[Mister Hyde]

Seriously, PM Zelda spoiled me in such a way that when I played Smash 4 Zelda I was doing things that shouldn't be done lol.

But it's still my main girl so I figured her out fairly quickly. Though I'm still learning, I'm quite enjoying her with Lucina on the side.

Also is it me or is Dins fire much more useful in this version than past iterations?

Yeah, it's pretty awesome. A good way to apply pressure and force someone who's camping to make a move.

 

[Einyuri]

Yeah, it's pretty awesome. A good way to apply pressure and force someone who's camping to make a move.

That's my favorite part about it. So many people online in FG like to camp and wait for you to come to them, and DF forces them to make a move towards you.

I've also started finding a liking for Phantom Slash as an edge-guarding tool. It's a nice mindgame to have with your opponent.

 

[BBNik]

Totally. I use phantom slash for a few situations. Firstly when getting back to the edge, charging it slows your fall and as such I can use it on people who might be edge guarding (since you can act after it). Secondly it's grea vs people with dash attacks like ike or whatever since it completely shuts the move down. And lastly it's got good zoning purposes. If it's just standing there, people usually just jump over it and as such I position a Dins fire or a fair/bair. For some serious damage/knockback.

 

[Phenomiracle]

Phantom has its uses, no doubt, but I can't imagine just why it possibly needs the serious extent of its drawbacks that it has. The ending lag and the cool-down (being unable to use it for a few seconds) are atrocious, and it's got a rather convolutedly place hitbox in relation to Zelda.

That said, though, it's a fantastic follow-up edgeguarding tool to Dsmash.

About FW, I'm starting to feel as though the final Wii U Zelda build is going to be quite different than the E3 one with regard to knockback percentages (Shoot me if this is so obvious, I've simply never known).

I've seen FW KO at ~100% center-stage in an E3 demo vid, and that's obviously not happening in Smash 3DS.

 

[ZombieBran]

I think FW was nerfed before release.
Hylia knows why; it's not like it would've been broken. But I guess Zelda can never have something that strong =/

I really hate that Phantom has such precisely small hitboxes.

 

[Phenomiracle]

I think FW was nerfed before release.
Hylia knows why; it's not like it would've been broken. But I guess Zelda can never have something that strong =/

Looking back at it now, only the knockback has been nerfed, and only slightly.

I have a feeling Bill Trinen's Zelda FW KO on Fox at 32% during SDCC pissed Sakurai off.

 

[ZombieBran]

Probably.

Even though Fox is very light, the move was fresh, and they were at the edge of a walkoff stage that moment did give me optimism for a while.

 

[Lil Puddin]

It should be noted that upB's first hitbox sends the opponents up in a stunned status. Your opponent needs to be 60%-80% for the second hit to land depending on the opponent's weight. In most cases, your reappearing hitbox will hit the person before they are launched to their deaths. After about 300% they get KO'd due to moving too fast upwards for Zelda to catch them.

The other offensive version was meant to troll people on the ends of the stage. It spikes them diagonally downwards. Kind of like PM Falco's Dair when used near the edge.

Anyway, I am loving this version of Zelda. She is now the camper killer.

 

[BBNik]

The one that goes up is a meteor and can be used to punish edge guarders by meteoring them down

 

[Lil Puddin]

The one that goes up is a meteor and can be used to punish edge guarders by meteoring them down

Yes. However it is harder to land than the vanilla Fiorre's Wind. FW is basically the superior version.

 

[ZombieBran]

It's fun and all for a short time but then they'll catch on. The lack of aiming and launch ability make it just a worst choice than default FW. I'd even rather have the one that telegraphs my movement over Windfall.

 

[Uncertain Title]

I think it just comes down to practice. I mean, changing input direction while in mid FW is definitely feasible, it'll just take some practice to have that kind of reaction time