DDD for A-tier

[ck2399]

Seriously, I feel DDD deserves a spot among the greatest in Smash 4.

He's the most reliable among the fatties.

 

[Ludiloco]

Probably B at the highest, C is pretty realistic.

As far as best heavy, I think Bowser probably takes that title just due to his agility and how quick his kill moves come out (in comparison to Deeds).

Deeds struggles really hard against the top 5-10 (Diddy, Rosalina, Sonic, Pikachu), so I have a really hard time saying he should be among them.

 

[Flawed]

B tier.
If he had something that breaks shields like the others tho... he'd be great

 

[ck2399]

Probably B at the highest, C is pretty realistic.

As far as best heavy, I think Bowser probably takes that title just due to his agility and how quick his kill moves come out (in comparison to Deeds).

Deeds struggles really hard against the top 5-10 (Diddy, Rosalina, Sonic, Pikachu), so I have a really hard time saying he should be among them.

That's a pretty insightful post!

I haven't really played against good top tiers yet, so I guess I can't judge. But as far as I know, DDD is beast with a good mind-game and much better than in brawl.

B tier.
If he had something that breaks shields like the others tho... he'd be great

Just for that crouch, he should be A-tier :D

 

[ぱみゅ]

Deeds struggles really hard against the top 5-10, so I have a really hard time saying he should be among them.

Just like in Brawl!

 

[AlextheTwin]

C tier is right IMO. After playing lots of matches with DDD, what brings him down is his inability to deal with campers. He has polarizing matchups. He's really good against the other bigs and he's pretty even against characters without good camping ability. But for those who can camp, he's in terrible shape. He has no fast approach options, he's slow, gordos can be reflected. Just stay away and force DDD to approach and you have a big advantage.

I feel hopeless when facing good duck hunt, villager, samus, toon link, link, megaman and ness mains.

 

[AlextheTwin]

double post...oops

 

[Lazyboy0337]

B tier.
If he had something that breaks shields like the others tho... he'd be great

Super Dedede Jump eats shield if you land on them, but the ending lag if you miss/they dodge makes it unreliable for shield breaking.

 

[Flawed]

Super Dedede Jump eats shield if you land on them, but the ending lag if you miss/they dodge makes it unreliable for shield breaking.

It doesn't break shield. It makes nice shield damage , like F smash, but doesnt break them :/

 

[toadster101]

Just because you like a character doesn't mean it belongs in the upper tiers. Otherwise Wario would be SS tier.

 

[ck2399]

Just because you like a character doesn't mean it belongs in the upper tiers. Otherwise Wario would be SS tier.

That's sad coming from a DDD lover...

 

[toadster101]

That's sad coming from a DDD lover...

Blame Sakurai, not me. Dedede is C tier at the highest, and no amount of love or passion is going to change that.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Do you guys realize those letter " Tiers" are all made up and any one but the A has no real meaning, right?

 

[AlextheTwin]

I hope they give him some buffs in a future patch. The gordo reflect idea is fine but was taken too far. The knockback is stupidly high and there should be atleast a few less projectiles that can reflect it. Also the ending lag on inhale seems excessive considering it is beaten by so many things. And yes, a charged forward smash IMO should be able to break a shield...it's too slow to not to be able to shield break. Those are the main changes I'd like to see. I don't think any of those would make him OP by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Alotoaxolotls]

If they replaced his jet hammer with a move that offered better mobility, like his spin from the masked dedede fights, but shorter, than I think the polarizing matchups against campers would be buffered a lot.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Just because you like a character doesn't mean it belongs in the upper tiers. Otherwise Wario would be SS tier.

Wario is Wario tier.

 

[Meek Moths]

ddd is nyerk tier

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Time for another "Character personal opinion" thread!.
Dedede is in "Higher than might you think" tier. Also known as "Whoa there, not that high either" tier.
Lets call it the "Just alright" tier.
But I would consider calling Dedede the best fatty, he gets many other strenghts over Bowser. Like better air game, range, recovery, and the only fatty with a projectile if you dont count Fire Breath. Maybe they are tied.
A shield breaker or a super armor attack would have risen D3 to that A tier you dream of, easily.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Like better air game, range, recovery, and the only fatty with a projectile if you dont count Fire Breath.

Reminder:

Everything else I agree with you.

 

[Lavani]

Also worth noting that all of Bowser's ground moves are disjointed. We may have a hammer, but he has falchions for arms and legs.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Bowser can clank out large Projectiles that aren't lasers with Bair. DDD can't do that. And Bowser can keep moving at max battle speed.

 

[Meek Moths]

i guess Samus is the best heavy. she may not look fat but shes like 6th heaviest in game

 

[Lavani]

Bowser can clank out large Projectiles that aren't lasers with Bair. DDD can't do that.

Dedede's bair doesn't clank projectiles because it has transcendent priority like Brawl Meta Knight's attacks - it won't clank with anything. Ftilt is like this too.

 

[ぱみゅ]

I love how silly does that offstage Nair look.
GERONIMOOOOOOOO

And analyzing it a bit, it might be very effective.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Dedede's bair doesn't clank projectiles because it has transcendent priority like Brawl Meta Knight's attacks - it won't clank with anything. Ftilt is like this too.

Can DDD's Nair clank out a "Max Aura" Aura Sphere?

 

[Lavani]

Can DDD's Nair clank out a "Max Aura" Aura Sphere?

It can't, but...really, nothing realistic can. The rule of thumb is that attacks can clank projectiles up to 9% stronger than them; maxed Aura Sphere is 29%, and there aren't any aerials that hit for 20% (strongest is Bowser bair at 19% I believe).

Well, Palutena can bop her way through it with her invincible bair, but that's cheating.

 

[MagiusNecros]

It can't, but...really, nothing realistic can. The rule of thumb is that attacks can clank projectiles up to 9% stronger than them; maxed Aura Sphere is 29%, and there aren't any aerials that hit for 20% (strongest is Bowser bair at 19% I believe).

Well, Palutena can bop her way through it with her invincible bair, but that's cheating.

Well guess what. Bowser's Bair clanks out a Max Power Aura Sphere. I will do some testing with DDD though. Basically I'm looking for defensive options Heavies can take. Since they need all the help they can get.

 

[Lavani]

Well guess what. Bowser's Bair clanks out a Max Power Aura Sphere.

Except it doesn't. From 177% forward, fully charged Aura Sphere clanks out Bowser's bair instead and then hits him.

Moreover, I don't even know how you'd fail to kill a Lucario before 190% playing as Bowser or Dedede, so this shouldn't even be a point of concern.

Dedede's nair will clank it until 109%, for what it's worth.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Except it doesn't. From 177% forward, fully charged Aura Sphere clanks out Bowser's bair instead and then hits him.

Moreover, I don't even know how you'd fail to kill a Lucario before 190% playing as Bowser or Dedede, so this shouldn't even be a point of concern.

Dedede's nair will clank it until 109%, for what it's worth.

Oh 177% onward? I'll have to try that out. Lucario is usually long gone before then. Thanks for the heads up.

Will do testing with Nair. If the hitbox is huge I can see a lot of projectiles against DDD becoming nothing to worry about.

 

[Putuk]

Dedede and his ego are so large they need their own tier.

 

[JimmyTheCaterpillar]

I honestly don't care if Dedesy is low on the tiers. Hell, make him #49. I know how to play with him, and I love doing so. All that changes is the amount of salt my opponent applies to himself after getting beaten by a low tier.

 

[atomicblast360]

Doesn't matter what tier he is, I'm not dropping him, I have invested too much time into him and he is too fun to use.

 

[KeithTheGeek]

I'm not gonna drop him either, but I will keep a pocket character or two to handle match ups I don't think Dedede is up to snuff for.

I definitely feel Dedede is pretty solid, but he has a few glaring weaknesses that keeps him from being as useful in most match ups as I'd like.

 

[atomicblast360]

I also have a Pocket Character which is Diddy Kong, and I plan to also use Mewtwo when he comes out just because I like the character so much. But for most of my match ups I'll be sticking with Dedede since I know most match ups best with him.