Dash Turnaround Trouble

[Kaoak]

For a long time now I've been having serious troubles turning around and dashing from a neutral stance. I don't know of anybody else who has had this problem, but constantly if I am looking at somebody in a neutral state, and I try to dash back, about 50% of the time I will go through a slow turnaround animation before dashing. There are times when I hit the control stick hard and it doesn't work, and times where I barely move it and it works. I don't get it. This is very crucial to my neutral game as Marth, and the more I play the more this happens to me (I don't understand why I seem to be getting worse at this rather than better).

I have tried switching controllers and some controllers are better than others at it from my experience. I have not seen a controller that it works consistently on yet, but on some it works ~85% of the time. If I can get some help that'd be great.

 

[Stride]

Smash the stick harder/faster. Unless all the controllers you've tried have moderately to extremely bad control sticks, your consistency with smash turns shouldn't be that low. Can other players dash back with the controllers that you can't do it with?

Observe the diagram below. In order to dash back from a stand, you have to move the control stick from the dead zone into the smash turn zone within 1 frame. More detail here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/Turn

Remember that you can't buffer a dash like you can with a walk; even if your control stick is as far horizontally as it can go, if you input the dash while you can't act it will be interpreted as a max speed walk (in the same way that you can start walking and slowly move the control stick further until it's completely tilted without entering dash).

If you feel like you're getting worse rather than better it's either fatigue, mindset, or your control stick degrading at an alarming rate (this can plausibly happen if your control stick is loose enough; since it's unresponsive you have to smash it very hard to get it to work, which causes it to wear much faster than a tight stick, making the problem exponentially worse).

 

[Kaoak]

Smash the stick harder/faster. Unless all the controllers you've tried have moderately to extremely bad control sticks, your consistency with smash turns shouldn't be that low. Can other players dash back with the controllers that you can't do it with?

Observe the diagram below. In order to dash back from a stand, you have to move the control stick from the dead zone into the smash turn zone within 1 frame. More detail here: http://www.ssbwiki.com/Turn

Remember that you can't buffer a dash like you can with a walk; even if your control stick is as far horizontally as it can go, if you input the dash while you can't act it will be interpreted as a max speed walk (in the same way that you can start walking and slowly move the control stick further until it's completely tilted without entering dash).

If you feel like you're getting worse rather than better it's either fatigue, mindset, or your control stick degrading at an alarming rate (this can plausibly happen if your control stick is loose enough; since it's unresponsive you have to smash it very hard to get it to work, which causes it to wear much faster than a tight stick, making the problem exponentially worse).

I don't understand, sometimes I hit it softly and it works and sometimes I smash the stick very hard and it doesn't work. There is no consistency.

 

[Stride]

I don't understand, sometimes I hit it softly and it works and sometimes I smash the stick very hard and it doesn't work. There is no consistency.

It's not about hitting it hard so much as moving it far enough; hitting it hard is really just a way to make it easier to move the stick the requisite distance within 1 frame.

It's hard to tell what you're doing wrong (or if it's something else causing the problem) without being able to see what's happening. Are you able to post a video of you moving the stick around within the deadzone (so I can see how loose the stick is) and a handcam of you dashing back?

Can other players dash back consistently with the controllers you've tried? If they can then it's evidently something you're doing wrong.

 

[djmath]

I'm not sure if this happens to me or not. but one simple solution to this is to spend more time dash dancing and less time standing still. WD back is another solution besides just dashing back

 

[Kaoak]

I haven't met any other player in my region who can dash back 100% of the time with any of the controllers. Every controller for me gives me a different consistency. As a Marth main being able to dash back is pretty much bread and butter. When using a controller with a very tight stick, such as a new Smash controller or white controller, I have a problem where when I release the controller into the neutral position, the stick smashes back too far and I end up turning around. If I try to fast fall I'll often tap jump etc... etc...

I'm wondering whether or not the problem has to do with me hitting the stick at different times within frames because it's so inconsistent. For instance if I begin moving the stick near the end of frame 0, at the beginning of frame 1 it wouldn't have reached the dash zone, while if I begin moving the stick at the beginning of frame 0, it would have reached the dash zone at the beginning of frame 1.

How do you guys dash, do you keep your thumb on the control stick or what? I feel like I'm the only one who has this problem, and I'm not aware of anything that I'm doing wrong. I don't have the video recording software to record both in game and a handcam, so that's a problem.

 

[Dandy_here]

I haven't met any other player in my region who can dash back 100% of the time with any of the controllers. Every controller for me gives me a different consistency. As a Marth main being able to dash back is pretty much bread and butter. When using a controller with a very tight stick, such as a new Smash controller or white controller, I have a problem where when I release the controller into the neutral position, the stick smashes back too far and I end up turning around. If I try to fast fall I'll often tap jump etc... etc...

I'm wondering whether or not the problem has to do with me hitting the stick at different times within frames because it's so inconsistent. For instance if I begin moving the stick near the end of frame 0, at the beginning of frame 1 it wouldn't have reached the dash zone, while if I begin moving the stick at the beginning of frame 0, it would have reached the dash zone at the beginning of frame 1.

How do you guys dash, do you keep your thumb on the control stick or what? I feel like I'm the only one who has this problem, and I'm not aware of anything that I'm doing wrong. I don't have the video recording software to record both in game and a handcam, so that's a problem.

If you tap jump when your trying to fast fall, then it's definitely a controller issue. I also play falcon, meaning that my hand is ALWAYS on the control stick. Try doing this, keep your finger on the edge of the stick, then put it in any direction, it should be fine from there.