Dair Meteor Smashing Hitbox?

[Deleted member 269706]

So I've been playing a lot of Rosalina lately and I've been getting a fair amount of spikes on my enemies. I've actually been doing this little trick where I spike them into the stage (while their standing on it), and while they are stuck in the phases of hitstun, I set off a Usmash or Fsmash. I've pulled this off a numerous amount of times, but the problem is, I'm not entirely sure how I've been doing it. You see, I can't seem to consistently hit the meteor smash hitbox... I've been experimenting with it in training, but still have had no luck. So can anyone help me come to a better understanding of where the spiking hitbox is? Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

 

[Parcheesy]

I'm a big fan of Rosalina's spike as well, and from personal experience, it's more a matter of when, as opposed to where. As posted here,

http://smashboards.com/threads/rosalina-and-lumas-frame-data.383688/

the spiking hitbox is between frames 19-23 ( if I'm reading the info right that is ), so it's just learning the timing by heart, and ensuring the opponent is below you during those few short moments. To practice, I'd recommend going into training mode on a stage with uneven platforms ( like battlefield ), then setting a CPU on a lower platform and have them jump on loop. It'll give you a feel for lining up the hitbox on a more practical target.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

I'm a big fan of Rosalina's spike as well, and from personal experience, it's more a matter of when, as opposed to where. As posted here,

http://smashboards.com/threads/rosalina-and-lumas-frame-data.383688/

the spiking hitbox is between frames 19-23 ( if I'm reading the info right that is ), so it's just learning the timing by heart, and ensuring the opponent is below you during those few short moments. To practice, I'd recommend going into training mode on a stage with uneven platforms ( like battlefield ), then setting a CPU on a lower platform and have them jump on loop. It'll give you a feel for lining up the hitbox on a more practical target.

Appreciate the help! I never even thought to check the frame data, I figured it had to do with the positioning! Ah, well I appreciate you clearing that up for me! Also appreciate the practice method, it's already shown to help.

 

[DanGR]

D-air    
                    Frames          Dmg       Angle                Knockback
sourspot 1          18 - 18         8%         361                  40b/640g    
Spike hitbox        19 - 23         7%         270 (spike)          20b/469g       
sourspot 2          24 - 26         6%         45                   35b/600g       
sourspot 3          27 - 33         2%         361                  20b/60g

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q75HZookwyqWAWE_UsgPtvRIoiYXTAK2T9n2VkBM5do/edit?usp=sharing

 

[Parcheesy]

Gotta love Rosalina. Where hitting a sourspot does the most damage, and missing the spike will likely still kill them off the side. Down air is such a win / win / win move ( oh, and the low knockback on the soursest spot really only makes them drift down in hitstun, still good! ). This move alone makes me upset when I see Rosalinas never attempt offstage edgeguards, so much of the character not being used.

 

[DanGR]

Maybe it's not accurate for me to call that 8% hitbox a sourspot. It does technically hit the hardest, even if it's not the most favorable hitbox.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The funny thing is, the second hitbox only truly guarantees KOs if the target's damage is nearing 500%. Hitboxes 1 and 3 can KO sooner, assuming that there's ground beneath the target.

Anyway, the down aerial doesn't actually have any sourspots, as the amount of damage it deals is highly dependent on how far away the ring is from Rosalina after being executed.

 

[Garde Noir]

I love D-airs. I toss them out with no mercy. Even if you don't get Frame 19, the next hitbox (worst sour spot) still stalls them and allows for recovery.

 

[Deleted member 269706]

So in that table that @ DanGR was nice enough to post, which one is the "soft spike"? You know, the one that still sends them downwards, just not as a spike?

 

[Garde Noir]

So in that table that @ DanGR was nice enough to post, which one is the "soft spike"? You know, the one that still sends them downwards, just not as a spike?

that would be sourspot 1

 

[icraq]

that would be sourspot 1

@Rawkstar
no that frame of dair does not send them down at all, it usually moves them in a horizontal trajectory.
it's frames 24-26 i believe. 27-33 barely does anything except temporarily stun your opponent, which does drop them a bit in the air. it's one of those.