Could 2 frame ledge vulnerability make Ledge trumping pointless?

[Powerman293]

I think Ledge Trumping is a pretty great system in Smash 4 that gets undermined by the 2 frame ledge vulnerability that people have found. It's only going to get more problematic as more the overall skill level increases to where a lot of players can get that hit in the 2 frames. Removing the dynamics of trumping and buffering and edge guarding altogether.

So should it be patched out in the name of balance? Or am I just panicking? Or is it just better this way that we don't have to deal with ledge trumping period.

 

[MysteriousSilver]

Trumping is largely invalidated at high level play by buffering a ledge option anyways

 

[Shog]

I think this is actually great. Why shouldn't someone who hits a 2 FRAME WINDOW be getting them advantage?

Special Note: If you grab the ledge FROM ABOVE you are completly invulnerable.

 

[Raijinken]

The day they remove trumping will be the saddest day in the history of Smash.

The frame window is alright, but honestly ledge-play is dangerous regardless, and takes a lot of skill from both players. A lot of characters are good at covering getup options (one or more of them), and others are better at punishing from a trump. There's a lot of matchup knowledge that goes into it, and if we replace that with braindead edgehogging I'm going to be a very sad player.

 

[Darklink401]

Remember that ledge trumping is useful for recovering characters.

So while 2-frame punish window is nice offensively, trumping doesn't only have an edgeguarding use, haha

 

[MysteriousSilver]

I think this is actually great. Why shouldn't someone who hits a 2 FRAME WINDOW be getting them advantage?

Special Note: If you grab the ledge FROM ABOVE you are completly invulnerable.

This probably doesn't need to be said, but I felt like I should clarify that it's a two frame window of vulnerability, bit you don't need to time it to two frames most of the time because more moves are more active than that. For example, Palu's bair is active for three frames, and you just need one of those to overlap with the two frame window, so if you're positioned correctly you really have a six frame window that you have to time. That's 1/10th of a second. Not a massive amount of time but certainly enough to start timing semi-reliably

Basically what I'm saying is as time goes on, get ready to see a lot more people punishing ledge snaps

 

[Megamang]

There exists a lot of counterplay for most characters as they return to the stage.