Confused about whether Z-cancelling is a "glitch/exploit" or not.

[Winston]

I've heard many people defend both of these possiblities, some with convincing arguments. It seems, however, that most people on these boards have concluded that Z-cancelling was an exploit in ssb64 that the design team carried over to melee.

I just saw this post, though, the poster presents some pretty convincing evidence that it is actually NOT a glitch/exploit.

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2780377&postcount=36

Thoughts? Anyone have the answer? .... I'm confused.

 

[DreDay]

SSB wanted to be so unique from other fighters , 1st with the knocking off stage then making us cancel our own air moves.In any other fighting game all air attacks auto cancel.

Just felt like saying that.

 

[nesshero]

"land with style" might have just meant teching; teching is actually in the original ssb instruction manual (but not given a name).

 

[SonicZeroX]

I know the old official Japanese SSB site had L-canceling on it. I saw it myself.

 

[_kSo_]

anything that can be done consistently and not under specific circumstances is not a glitch. i dont think that zc/zt and sh'ing are glitches however i think taunt canceling IS...0_o

 

[okaygo]

We went over this with ant-d, tapping Z or R when hitting the ground was most likely included in the game. Search for 'what is r canceling'

 

[ant-d]

glitch

• noun, informal
1. a sudden malfunction or irregularity of equipment.
2. an unexpected setback in a plan.

unexpected

• adjective
1. not expected or regarded as likely to happen.

setback

• noun
1. a reversal or check in progress.

doubt it

exploit

• verb /iksployt/
1. make good use of (a resource).
2. make use of unfairly; benefit unjustly from the work of.

• noun /eksployt/
1. a bold or daring feat.

yeah

 

[ss118]

ant-d just pwned any discussion we were to have on this topic

 

[cmasterchoe]

and he cited his sources! ant-d FTW

 

[pdk]

SSB wanted to be so unique from other fighters , 1st with the knocking off stage then making us cancel our own air moves.In any other fighting game all air attacks auto cancel.

air specials/supers don't cancel their own lag

; )

 

[okaygo]

ant-d your definition of 'exploit' is out of context. People exploit z-canceling because it benefits the player. However it was not an unexpected exploit, nor a glitch. It is just as exploited as short hopping.

 

[ant-d]

Read my post again.

 

[okaygo]

Read my post again.

I fully understand it, but in this context (read the title), I believe the question was: is it a glitch that is exploited; the answer is no.

It is exploited, but that has nothing to do with the question posed. However you did answer the question, it is not a glitch. We went over this in a big old thread.

 

[ss118]

your gonna get pwned in this battle of whims.

Quit while your behind.

 

[okaygo]

your gonna get pwned in this battle of whims.

Quit while your behind.

Right. You obviously don't realize that I take the same position as ant-d, for the same fact that me and ant-d discussed this long ago.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=107565

This is how Z-Canceling works, in psuedo code.

GGPO

 

[NJzFinest]

I learned about Z-Canceling from the official smashbros site way back when lol

 

[Winston]

Okay, thanks guys, its just that I've heard a lot of people say it was a glitch in the first game.