Smash Wii U Competitive SmashU Disrespect

[Drewskitor]

Something I do not understand, and it makes me upset and angry, is how so many people dislike SmashU on a competitive level. When people see a Competitive Melee player playing SmashU in a competitive form let it be tournament, playing with other smashers, or something among these natures, the Melee players get hate. People refuse to accept the fact that a new game has risen, and even if they prefer the old to the new, they don't enjoy seeing change. They try to nitpick at it for not being Melee, and make comments like "That would've worked in Melee.", and the game not being as fast paced or not using the same tech as past generations. At Apex 2015, the grand finals when ZeRo won, people cheered him for a bit, but then everyone in the crowd started cheering "Melee, Melee, Melee..." as if they didn't care at all, like they were happy the SmashU portion was over, and they could finally see Melee happen. That is just plain disrespect. Practically stomping on ZeRo's glorious moment of victory and being named the best SmashU player of 2015.

The point I'm trying to make here is, Melee is good for what it is, and it's fine to enjoy and play it. Don't be so closed minded or hate on people who enjoy SmashU, both SmashU and Melee, or Melee veterans who want to play the new game competitively. Yes, the game is not Melee, yes it is different. Accept it, Sakurai wanted a game that both competitve crowds, and casual crowds would enjoy, and he delivered. Personally, SmashU is my favorite Smash by far, but I do enjoy some Melee matches on streams every now and then. Don't hate a game just because it isn't Melee. It is just as good, if not better than Melee. It has it's own tech, its own pace, its own roster, and its own concepts. Why hate on it?

 

[Xermo]

oh boy, here we go

 

[Morbi]

I am optimistic, I suppose; however, I do not believe that it is getting "hate." I believe it is more of a "you have to earn your respect" sort of deal. I doubt it will last long, I mean, if any game gets "hate" it is probably Brawl to be honest. I feel bad for it.

 

[Sean²]

Brawl got huge when it was first released running off of Melee's leftover steam.

Now that Melee rose from the ashes, it has its own scene that is essentially separate from other smash scenes, and Brawl began to slowly die due to the broken gameplay mechanics we discovered and used.

Smash 4 hit the shelves riding on the coattails what many consider to be the worst entry in the series. Due to some similarities in gameplay, it is garnering similar flack from the same individuals who disliked Brawl. I think it can and will be much more competitive than its predecessor, if we are willing to give it the time and chance to develop.

Apex had a lot of hecklers and grumps, and I see it as a good example of how we shouldn't act to keep the game interesting and afloat.

tl;Dr Haters wanna hate, lovers wanna love, I just want to be, none of the above.

 

[Kevandre]

To be honest, I'm not a fan of competitive Smash at all. But were I to be, I think I'd be much more into Smash 4 and Project M than I would ever be into Melee. I love Melee as a game but to be perfectly honest I only go back to it for the single player..

And, everyone who was being a jerk at EVO when waiting for Melee deserves to be ostracized and not allowed back to future events. It's the people who keep me away from competitive Smash, not the concept of Competitive Smash itself.

 

[MoHarp]

People compare the games too much just because they're part of the same "family". You gotta look at Smash 4 as a game with similar fundamentals but with a different feel. You gotta look at Smash 4 as it's own thing. No, you gotta look at each INDIVIDUAL Smash game as it's own thing.

 

[Tino]

Not this **** again...

 

[RBreadsticks]

The hate on sm4sh is entirely irrational. It makes both communities look bad.

Say you're a new commer to Smash in general and watched Grand finals of sm4sh you can draw 2 conclusions. 1 sm4sh sucks because the crowd doesn't care and just wants melee. 2 the melee community is rude and insular for jeering a grand finals set. Both of these incorrect assumptions make both of our communities look bad, in front of new players and worst of all in front of nintendo.

Sm4sh is definetly a competitive game. Is it melee? No but I don't think we should let an entire different game decide if the one we play is competitve or not. I understand some of the mechanics make it less fun to watch but the metagame is also what about 4-6 months old? While melee has been around for 10 plus years? Of course melee is going to have a deeper metagame, it's been around for years it also has historical rivalries that sm4sh is lacking.

It having different mechanics from melee doesn't make it un competitive. Just taking a look at another nintendo series Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 have vastly different mechanics from that of X and Y, does that mean one is inherently more competitive than the other? No, it just means the two have vastly different meta games such is the case with melee and sm4sh.

Overall both communities should be open and help each other grow not be insular. A new commer to melee could fall in love with sm4sh and vice versa. There is literally no reason for a melee player to criticize sm4sh unless they intend to play it, I understand the Apex debacle was about them wanting their game on stream but that has more to do with losing a day to weather and the actions of TOs than the game itself. If you don't want to watch it don't jeer at someone who worked hard to win grand finals, show some common decency and wait until your game is on.

 

[GhostUrsa]

I mentioned this in another thread (and I apologize again to those guys since I almost derailed it. Too much caffeine is my only real excuse. ) but I feel that Smash games in general share much in common with MMA fighting. With so many disciplines available, people from one discipline will always feel that if the rules don't support theirs to the fullest than something is wrong. With Melee, the engine designs and exploits found favored only a few disciplines over the others supported in the game. What we are seeing now is that with Smash 4 trying to have it's rules be more inclusive to all the other fighters, those who favored the imbalances in Melee (and every Smash has some imbalances, this one included) are lashing out.

Part of the backlash is more a residual effect of the extreme focus on other characters that Brawl had, as Menardi brought up. Brawl both from a casual and competitive standpoint was a flawed but likeable experience, but the engine and exploits favored a playstyle that wasn't what the loudest of Melee fans liked.

With time, I feel that Smash 4 will gain it's due. I truly believe that the games current focus is probably the best realization of this MMA style clash of fighting we've seen in the series yet, and once this is realized it will spawn its own healthy fan base as well as healthy competition between all the player types.

Until then, we just have to show off how awesome this game is by having the best representation of the characters fighting the tar out of each other we can.

 

[Sleeplost]

Smash 4 is a joke on the competitive level of Smash Brothers games. Usually when a Street Fighter game comes out, the developers like to keep their mind on the competitive scene of the game making sure that it's a completely viable and interesting game to play at large tournaments (Evo, Capcom Cup, etc.) while-as Smash 4 had an insanely biased director who made sure to take away plenty of in-depth techniques which made Smash a unique and incredibly fun to watch.

While it IS in fact a competitive game, it's nowhere near as interesting or in-depth as the odyssey that was Melee. The fact that it's gaining it's own spot as Evo is absolutely ridiculous and makes no sense since it's not nearly as fast or balanced as Melee. I can only imagine the Twitch viewer count will be small as hell.

 

[Random765]

Something I do not understand, and it makes me upset and angry, is how so many people dislike SmashU on a competitive level. When people see a Competitive Melee player playing SmashU in a competitive form let it be tournament, playing with other smashers, or something among these natures, the Melee players get hate. People refuse to accept the fact that a new game has risen, and even if they prefer the old to the new, they don't enjoy seeing change. They try to nitpick at it for not being Melee, and make comments like "That would've worked in Melee.", and the game not being as fast paced or not using the same tech as past generations. At Apex 2015, the grand finals when ZeRo won, people cheered him for a bit, but then everyone in the crowd started cheering "Melee, Melee, Melee..." as if they didn't care at all, like they were happy the SmashU portion was over, and they could finally see Melee happen. That is just plain disrespect. Practically stomping on ZeRo's glorious moment of victory and being named the best SmashU player of 2015.

The point I'm trying to make here is, Melee is good for what it is, and it's fine to enjoy and play it. Don't be so closed minded or hate on people who enjoy SmashU, both SmashU and Melee, or Melee veterans who want to play the new game competitively. Yes, the game is not Melee, yes it is different. Accept it, Sakurai wanted a game that both competitve crowds, and casual crowds would enjoy, and he delivered. Personally, SmashU is my favorite Smash by far, but I do enjoy some Melee matches on streams every now and then. Don't hate a game just because it isn't Melee. It is just as good, if not better than Melee. It has it's own tech, its own pace, its own roster, and its own concepts. Why hate on it?

I'll keep my wavedashing , fox, and final destination.

You can keep the change.

- Melee players

 

[PlayerXIII]

Smash 4 is a joke on the competitive level of Smash Brothers games. Usually when a Street Fighter game comes out, the developers like to keep their mind on the competitive scene of the game making sure that it's a completely viable and interesting game to play at large tournaments (Evo, Capcom Cup, etc.) while-as Smash 4 had an insanely biased director who made sure to take away plenty of in-depth techniques which made Smash a unique and incredibly fun to watch.

While it IS in fact a competitive game, it's nowhere near as interesting or in-depth as the odyssey that was Melee. The fact that it's gaining it's own spot as Evo is absolutely ridiculous and makes no sense since it's not nearly as fast or balanced as Melee. I can only imagine the Twitch viewer count will be small as hell.

The fact you call Melee balanced makes me cry a bit inside. Plus, what gives you the right to say Smash 4 has no right to be at Evo? What's wrong with both Smash 4 and Melee being at Evo? Elitist much?

 

[MarioMeteor]

Smash 4 is a joke on the competitive level of Smash Brothers games. Usually when a Street Fighter game comes out, the developers like to keep their mind on the competitive scene of the game making sure that it's a completely viable and interesting game to play at large tournaments (Evo, Capcom Cup, etc.) while-as Smash 4 had an insanely biased director who made sure to take away plenty of in-depth techniques which made Smash a unique and incredibly fun to watch.

While it IS in fact a competitive game, it's nowhere near as interesting or in-depth as the odyssey that was Melee. The fact that it's gaining it's own spot as Evo is absolutely ridiculous and makes no sense since it's not nearly as fast or balanced as Melee. I can only imagine the Twitch viewer count will be small as hell.

I don't even... The sheer amount of what the **** in this one comment alone. I stopped reading at "as balanced as Melee".
Ironically, the way you describe Meleelitist is almost the same way I feel about Brawl. Whenever I fail at something or some move doesn't kill, my first thoughts are, "that would've worked in Brawl". I just love Brawl. My personal favorite in the series.
But that's completely off-topic. Yes, this entire thing has been an elephant in the room since Smash 4 came out. I've come to a conclusion about Meleelitists: leave them alone. Just let them be. They won't change, nor will they move. The best thing to do is let the elitists be elitist. Think about it this way: if you truly like Smash 4, would you want it to be apart of the same community as them? We're better off letting the Melee fans be Melee fans, and the actual Smash fans be Smash fans.

 

[ICXCM]

Smash 4 is a joke on the competitive level of Smash Brothers games. Usually when a Street Fighter game comes out, the developers like to keep their mind on the competitive scene of the game making sure that it's a completely viable and interesting game to play at large tournaments (Evo, Capcom Cup, etc.

Eh, that's not really true. It's more of an eye. Apples, oranges. For instance SF3 is the most technical SF thus far. SFIV was casualised, they basically made SSF2T with alpha characters with a very low barrier to entry.

SSFIV 2012 was so boring that competitive matches were often just coming down to a time out. That was a valid and accepted technique. Ridiculous.

I wouldn't claim that USFIV fixes that, it just ads more issues. If that's keeping in mind the competitive scene and whether the game is completely viable. So be it.

 

[ZomBiehn]

Really another post about this nonsense??????? If you don't like Sm4sh don't play it, if you don't like watching Sm4sh don't watch it! Done, FIXED

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Since this thread could potentially lead to flame wars, it's locked from further posting.