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Clones! A Fanboys Saviour! Why Brawl SHOULD Have Them!

Rhubarbo

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Alright, I was at one time one of those people that would mock and laugh at those who claimed that clones would make Smash a superior game. I thought it was ridiculous! Why would they include a "copy" of another character instead of an original one?

Well, there is one obvious reason. Development time. Characters, surely, are the largest part of any Smash game. It is the bulk of the game. If you want quality charcters, you will need time! This is how I'd imagine a character comes into production:

1) Sakurai and others sit down and discuss what the next best candidate for a PC is. They make a unanimous decision.

1.5) If the character is not First Party, they try to obtain the rights to the character.

2) The characters moves are thought out.

3) Animations are made.

4) Balaning the character takes place.

That may seem basic, but it takes developers quite some bit of time. So, what it a way to skip a few steps? That's right, clones!

However, when making a clone, balancing must be done just as extensively as it is with other characters. This was not done in Melee, which shows why most clones turned out to be pathetic (not necissarily bad). Also, if they toss in one different move here or there, that would be a good bonus.

Think about it. This way we can get characters like Ness, Falco, Black Shadow, and more. Just for goodnes sakes do not leave in Ganondorf as a clone!
 

bluekitsune13

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I think a better way to approach things would be to not half *** development, and instead focus on making as many unique characters as possible. Quality over quantity my friend.
 

KazenoZ

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Actually, I was of that view of clones suck too before I got Melee, now I just can't even imagine having to go back to maining Fox over Falco, unless it's the 64 Fox, which I would probably have mained if he wasn't nerfed =P
On the other hand, most other clones do suck, AKA Pichu.
 

Ryo242

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Ganondorf was the only really good clone. Mostly because he still kicked *** against all the top-tiers.
Luigi is not a real clone.
All the other clones were annoying.
 

Azura

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Since Ness is in, we can be confident that we'll have at least a few clones. Unless they gave Ness's moveset to Lucas just to give Ness a new one...that would be funny. Clones are far enough removed from their counterparts to be totally acceptable, besides Doc. He'd need to be as slow and powerful as, say, Ganon, with a few tweaked moves.
 

Caleb Wolfbrand

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honestly I love clones. Falco, Ganon, and Young Link are 3 of my favorite chars in Melee. If they just added a lil more diversity and no screw ups like Doc Mario, Pichu, and Roy, I am all for clones.
 

Rhubarbo

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Luigifying...sure let's call it that! No, clones do not mean a half-***** game. Suppose the devlopment team poured all their resources in, but realized 2 months before release that they could not make more original characters. Therefore, they go and Luigify others to make a larger, more pleasing roster. It's not being half-*****!
 

Ageman20XX

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I totally agree, and I'd be totally cool with a number of clones as long as they were "Luigified" as other have mentioned. This would be even better for 3rd party characters that would require too much time - some are even obvious. For example - if MegaMan got in, and they wanted to give us a little extra they could also include his bro - ProtoMan. Problem? ProtoMan is nearly identical to MegaMan as far as his abilities go - he can absorb attacks just like Mega and is pretty much identical in terms of fighting style. The only real difference is his shield and the fact that his buster-shots are a wee-bit stronger in the games. Small differences like that could easily be modified for a clone, as is the case with (I think) many other chars.

Also, (don't flame me), I don't know much about Sonic but couldn't Tails be a clone with a slight difference? Or does Tails not have anything similar to Sonic? Lol. Sorry - I'm a newb as far as Sonic cannon goes. >_<

But you get my gist...

-Age
 

Rhubarbo

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^ Tails could sort of be a clone, but that would not really fit. He, along with Knuckles and Shadow, are best left as ATs.
 

The Noob Legend

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Ok.

Luigi ISN'T a clone.
The one thing similar to Mario was his upB recovery.
And the fireballs, which traveled in the air not across the ground.

Are you referring to clones as look alikes or as moveset similarities, so I won't be wrong on this.
 

Hitzel

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I think a better way to approach things would be to not half *** development, and instead focus on making as many unique characters as possible. Quality over quantity my friend.
You don't get what he's saying, do you? They're making quality characters with the amount of time they have, but those quality characters take a LONG time to make. Period. If there is extra time left over, why not add clones? Would you rather Sakurai not use extra development time and leave out characters from your favorite franchise? That's laziness.

It'll be unfortunate when the character roster gets cut by five to ten good characters because people complain about clones.
 

GreenKirby

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The ones who say they clones would probably dislike the fact that the game will probably only have 35 characters. >_>
 

Rhubarbo

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Here's an example that comes to mind now that Ness was confirmed:

Sakurai always intended on having Lucas replace Ness, but then he thought...no! So, when heading into SSBB development, he altered some of Lucas' moves from Ness' and he made both characters rather quickly. Ness and Lucas have several differences, that justifies them. My idea states that more characters should function similarily. I.e Marth-Ike, Falco-Fox, C.Falcon-Black Shadow.
 

Storm Eagle

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Clones rock! Except if their only purpose is to stuff out the roster (I'm looking at you, Dr. Mario, Young Link and Pichu!)
 

Rhubarbo

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The only clones I was dismayed about were Dr.Mario (whom is my seconds, but I still thought he was rushed) and Pichu.
 
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